Friday, May 25, 2007
John 6 more on calvin
In bible study there is rules you have to follow to get to the right meaning. I maintain the bible is clear about Gods selects the people that he saves and I am a calvinist. I look at tonights passage and think it is clear if you read this and not mess it up and make it say something it does not say. I know mabny people are not Calvinist and I guess thats your fault. I am sure God is this way and I have talked much about this in the lent season this year. I am going to give you the passage and where and how I see the Sovern God in it.
John 6 28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
Ok to be saved you have to believe in Jesus and the God who sent them. Faith does not come to you unless God gives it to you. It is a gift and a free gift. I do not think one has the power to ask Jesus to save without the Lord removeing the blinders off. (1 Cor 2 14) Said the devil blinds everyone to the truth and in sin your not willing to come to Jesus. God has to grant you faith or your not going to get saved.
Also here is a clear verse that tells us that faith alone is salvation. Jesus never gives another work to get us saved. Not work can ever save a flee and if your working on your salvation rest in the faith Jesus and God gave you.
30 Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’”
32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
God gave the bread to the people in the desert and Jesus is now the bread. Jesus is the one that you need to keep coming to or you die in your walk. I think you need the bible and prayer EVERYDAY. No the bible is not Jesus but that is the best way to know Jesus is to read what he said to you. Bible reading is not all you need. We need to talk out our day with the Lord, confessing all our sins, asking him for our bread and thank him for all he does. I fail to ask for bread daily but in our walk we need to know all provision is a gift from the Lord. God gets so overloo0ked in daily provision in life. We think we got our jobs on our own and we did not it was all God.
34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”1
Here is the stuff people are not going to like. 37 said all that the father gave to me I will not cast out. First this is the saved of all the ages. It is the ones God choose and not thwe one he did not chose. We are to share the gospel but the results are all left to Jesus because he does all the saving. It this meaning some are not picked. Yes it means the ones God did not save have to pay for the sins they do. Jesus wants to save all but 38 said he only does Gods plan. I do not want hell for anyone but hell is given to people who are not saved. If one does not believe this is one God does not pick. Jesus is the one that died for the saved not the ones that do not come to0 him.
This is also proof once Jesus saved you it lasts forever and your not going to lose it. If God picks you and you believe heaven is yours no matter what. If your saved life is yours and it starts at salvation and never ends. Now do not go to heberews 6 and lose this. That is another night. It goes to say the way salvation works. A friend said the other day you got to hold on to Jesus and I said Jesus holds on to you. If your saved your going to live for Jesus because he is the one in you. Now if your not living for the Lord I urge you to work it out with Jesus. If you said a prayer or walked forward at a crusade or church does not make you saved, a changed life and making Jesus Lord is what needs to happen. Going to church, bible class, or walking a lady across the street makes you nothing it is a life that Jesus is Lord of and your walking toward the Lord Jesus and not away. If your not reading the bible everyday and claim salvation I wonder and I think you need to check it out.
Shadman
John 6 28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
Ok to be saved you have to believe in Jesus and the God who sent them. Faith does not come to you unless God gives it to you. It is a gift and a free gift. I do not think one has the power to ask Jesus to save without the Lord removeing the blinders off. (1 Cor 2 14) Said the devil blinds everyone to the truth and in sin your not willing to come to Jesus. God has to grant you faith or your not going to get saved.
Also here is a clear verse that tells us that faith alone is salvation. Jesus never gives another work to get us saved. Not work can ever save a flee and if your working on your salvation rest in the faith Jesus and God gave you.
30 Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’”
32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
God gave the bread to the people in the desert and Jesus is now the bread. Jesus is the one that you need to keep coming to or you die in your walk. I think you need the bible and prayer EVERYDAY. No the bible is not Jesus but that is the best way to know Jesus is to read what he said to you. Bible reading is not all you need. We need to talk out our day with the Lord, confessing all our sins, asking him for our bread and thank him for all he does. I fail to ask for bread daily but in our walk we need to know all provision is a gift from the Lord. God gets so overloo0ked in daily provision in life. We think we got our jobs on our own and we did not it was all God.
34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”1
Here is the stuff people are not going to like. 37 said all that the father gave to me I will not cast out. First this is the saved of all the ages. It is the ones God choose and not thwe one he did not chose. We are to share the gospel but the results are all left to Jesus because he does all the saving. It this meaning some are not picked. Yes it means the ones God did not save have to pay for the sins they do. Jesus wants to save all but 38 said he only does Gods plan. I do not want hell for anyone but hell is given to people who are not saved. If one does not believe this is one God does not pick. Jesus is the one that died for the saved not the ones that do not come to0 him.
This is also proof once Jesus saved you it lasts forever and your not going to lose it. If God picks you and you believe heaven is yours no matter what. If your saved life is yours and it starts at salvation and never ends. Now do not go to heberews 6 and lose this. That is another night. It goes to say the way salvation works. A friend said the other day you got to hold on to Jesus and I said Jesus holds on to you. If your saved your going to live for Jesus because he is the one in you. Now if your not living for the Lord I urge you to work it out with Jesus. If you said a prayer or walked forward at a crusade or church does not make you saved, a changed life and making Jesus Lord is what needs to happen. Going to church, bible class, or walking a lady across the street makes you nothing it is a life that Jesus is Lord of and your walking toward the Lord Jesus and not away. If your not reading the bible everyday and claim salvation I wonder and I think you need to check it out.
Shadman
Thursday, March 29, 2007
Bible reading and election
By now if you read the things I tend to say here I am not out to be popular and loved. I used to be but I gave up last year when people started actually coming on and trashing my beliefs in the Lord. Good solid people that I once looked to for my walk made the faith out to be a list of rules and people left churchs over it and I told people to leave and I was told not to come back to that church and it was a mess. So much junk happened it hurt so many people and it was a mess. I came out of that and kept my blog even when this jerk pastor told me I was rebelling and telling him so shove it when I worked the bible into my page. I say that to say a few things I think are so important i8n my walk that I am willing to die for them. I am willing to die for Jesus if one asked me to because I am sure where I am going. I am willing to die for my bible and I could not live without it. Catholics have in the past blog that I ought to trust the words of man and I have told them they are off and have not been nice to them. I know people that have used the faith that is given to man and said that popes have the truth. I think that is wrong and many popes are going to hell for the crime of taking Gods holy word away from the common man. I am in a debate right now with a man that I think is a great man and I had it before that he said the bible is the Lord Jesus and it is and I agree with the man and love him to death. I do however in many times over the last 20 years of being a Christian have many times talked to people that do not value the bible and I think have left the faith or they are not what they once were in the faith. I know a man that told me off and I think is not saved and when I knew Chris he did not read his bible as much as he should. I said before I have never met a solid solid out Christian that did not read the bible every day and know it. Never. Now IK do not want to condemn you in any way6 if your saved and you feel that you do not need the bible. I think your young in the faith and you need to grow and the way you do is the word of God and reading the books of John and Psalms are great. If your in the Lord why not just read a book of the bible or get a one year bible and just get into a habit of reading the Love letter Jesus wrote to you.
We now are on a new part of the theology of John Calvin and that is the truth that we are elected by the sheer grace of God and that is undeserved and no merit on our part is required. I am n ot here to debate this I am here to report the bible and what it says in the topic. I am going to give you a definition tonight and go into the bible passages that prove this out next time. I am not debating this I am reporting the things I think in the bible are right. If the bible is right and it always s this is going to be a truth we need to trust. If the bible is not right then we can do whatever we will
ELECTION — the gracious and free act of God by which He calls those who become part of His kingdom and special beneficiaries of His love and blessings. The Bible describes the concept of election in three distinct ways. Election sometimes refers to the choice of Israel and the church as a people for special service and privileges. Election may also refer to the choice of a specific individual to some office or to perform some special service. Still other passages of the Bible refer to the election of individuals to be children of God and heirs of eternal life.
Throughout the history of redemption, election has characterized God’s saving activity. He chose and called Abraham from Ur to Canaan, making an everlasting covenant with him and his offspring (Gen. 11:31–12:7; Neh. 9:7; Is. 41:8). God also called Moses to lead His people out of bondage (Ex. 2:24–3:10; Deut. 6:21–23; Ps. 105). He chose Israel from among the nations of the world to be His special covenant people (Deut. 4:37; 7:6–7; Is. 44:1–2).
Election to salvation takes place “in Christ” (Eph. 1:4; 2:10) as a part of God’s purpose for the human race. As part of His eternal plan, God allows us to use our freedom to rebel against Him. Thus it is gracious of God to save those who find salvation through Jesus Christ. It is not unjust of Him not to save everyone, since no one deserves to be saved (Matt. 20:14; Rom. 1:18; 9:15). Election is gracious; it is also unconditional and unmerited (Acts 13:48; Rom. 9:11; 1 Pet. 1:2). It is an expression of the eternal, sovereign will of God who cannot change (Rom. 8:29; 2 Thess. 2:13). Therefore the salvation of the elect is certain (Rom. 8:28, 33).
Election is a necessary condition for salvation; faith is the sufficient condition. The elect inevitably believe, but they do not believe against their will. They have a God-given desire and ability to trust in Christ for salvation (Acts 13:48; 1 Cor. 15:10; Phil. 1:29; 2:13). The elect choose God because He effectively calls them through the proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ; they choose Him because He first chose and called them to Himself (Rom. 8:28). That initiating love of God is reflected in Jesus’ statement, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16).
A careful study of the Bible’s doctrine of man cures any romantic notion of a human will that is free to choose for or against God. Those who are slaves to sin and its power (Rom. 6:6) neither understand nor seek after God in and of themselves (Rom. 3:11; John 14:17; 1 Cor. 2:14). Outside of Christ, people are spiritually dead rebels who neither desire to submit to the Lord Jesus Christ nor are able to. Apart from God’s gracious, free, eternal, and sovereign choice of sinners to become His children, none would be saved but would remain forever under His wrath (Rom. 1:18).
Election is not to be a source of complacency (2 Pet. 1:12) or presumption (Rom. 11:19–22) on the part of Christians. They are to make their calling and election certain by growing in godliness (2 Pet. 1:2–11) as they respond with gratitude to God’s electing love (Col. 3:12–17).
God has chosen Christians to bear the image and glory of Christ (Rom. 8:29; 2 Thess. 2:14). They have been elected to be holy in conduct, like Christ (Eph. 1:4). Like Him, they are also to be glorified in their whole being in the life to come (2 Cor. 3:18; Phil. 3:21). The ultimate goal of our election is that we might bring praise and glory to God (Eph. 1:6; Rom. 11:33; 2 Thess. 2:13).
Also see Predestination.1
1Youngblood, Ronald F., General Editor; F.F. Bruce and R.K. Harrison, Consulting Editors, Nelson’s New Illustrated Bible Dictionary, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1995.
We now are on a new part of the theology of John Calvin and that is the truth that we are elected by the sheer grace of God and that is undeserved and no merit on our part is required. I am n ot here to debate this I am here to report the bible and what it says in the topic. I am going to give you a definition tonight and go into the bible passages that prove this out next time. I am not debating this I am reporting the things I think in the bible are right. If the bible is right and it always s this is going to be a truth we need to trust. If the bible is not right then we can do whatever we will
ELECTION — the gracious and free act of God by which He calls those who become part of His kingdom and special beneficiaries of His love and blessings. The Bible describes the concept of election in three distinct ways. Election sometimes refers to the choice of Israel and the church as a people for special service and privileges. Election may also refer to the choice of a specific individual to some office or to perform some special service. Still other passages of the Bible refer to the election of individuals to be children of God and heirs of eternal life.
Throughout the history of redemption, election has characterized God’s saving activity. He chose and called Abraham from Ur to Canaan, making an everlasting covenant with him and his offspring (Gen. 11:31–12:7; Neh. 9:7; Is. 41:8). God also called Moses to lead His people out of bondage (Ex. 2:24–3:10; Deut. 6:21–23; Ps. 105). He chose Israel from among the nations of the world to be His special covenant people (Deut. 4:37; 7:6–7; Is. 44:1–2).
Election to salvation takes place “in Christ” (Eph. 1:4; 2:10) as a part of God’s purpose for the human race. As part of His eternal plan, God allows us to use our freedom to rebel against Him. Thus it is gracious of God to save those who find salvation through Jesus Christ. It is not unjust of Him not to save everyone, since no one deserves to be saved (Matt. 20:14; Rom. 1:18; 9:15). Election is gracious; it is also unconditional and unmerited (Acts 13:48; Rom. 9:11; 1 Pet. 1:2). It is an expression of the eternal, sovereign will of God who cannot change (Rom. 8:29; 2 Thess. 2:13). Therefore the salvation of the elect is certain (Rom. 8:28, 33).
Election is a necessary condition for salvation; faith is the sufficient condition. The elect inevitably believe, but they do not believe against their will. They have a God-given desire and ability to trust in Christ for salvation (Acts 13:48; 1 Cor. 15:10; Phil. 1:29; 2:13). The elect choose God because He effectively calls them through the proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ; they choose Him because He first chose and called them to Himself (Rom. 8:28). That initiating love of God is reflected in Jesus’ statement, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16).
A careful study of the Bible’s doctrine of man cures any romantic notion of a human will that is free to choose for or against God. Those who are slaves to sin and its power (Rom. 6:6) neither understand nor seek after God in and of themselves (Rom. 3:11; John 14:17; 1 Cor. 2:14). Outside of Christ, people are spiritually dead rebels who neither desire to submit to the Lord Jesus Christ nor are able to. Apart from God’s gracious, free, eternal, and sovereign choice of sinners to become His children, none would be saved but would remain forever under His wrath (Rom. 1:18).
Election is not to be a source of complacency (2 Pet. 1:12) or presumption (Rom. 11:19–22) on the part of Christians. They are to make their calling and election certain by growing in godliness (2 Pet. 1:2–11) as they respond with gratitude to God’s electing love (Col. 3:12–17).
God has chosen Christians to bear the image and glory of Christ (Rom. 8:29; 2 Thess. 2:14). They have been elected to be holy in conduct, like Christ (Eph. 1:4). Like Him, they are also to be glorified in their whole being in the life to come (2 Cor. 3:18; Phil. 3:21). The ultimate goal of our election is that we might bring praise and glory to God (Eph. 1:6; Rom. 11:33; 2 Thess. 2:13).
Also see Predestination.1
1Youngblood, Ronald F., General Editor; F.F. Bruce and R.K. Harrison, Consulting Editors, Nelson’s New Illustrated Bible Dictionary, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1995.
Labels: bible reading, calvinism, election
Wednesday, March 28, 2007
bible and more depraved
If you want to grow into a strong man of God one way you need to do it is reading the bible every day. I am having debate on whether the bible is the most important thing and I find it to be a sad time when the body does not make bible reading more important than anything. Failing to read the word is like not eating the food to grow. If your saved and do not read the bible there is no growth in your life. Even if you read it all before the devil will mess your walk up big time if your not in it and reading it all the time. It is our food and if your not eating your going to die in the things of God. I never have met a christian that did not read their bible that I would call strong and mighty for Jesus. If you wish to grow in the things of God bible reading is a must and if it is not your walk is going to ok to fair. Consist your walk with bible study and your going to be great and if you set it off you will never get strong. If you read this you can get a bible and learn it. No more excuses for not reading the Lovwe of Jesus and what he did and how to walk rightly. I had some friends that misuse the things in the bible to make them look like if you fail to follow it your not ok and then they added things to the bible to make it look like they were better. This is why we need to know the bible and when folk comes to nail you on this or that we defend the truth and do not fall into error. EVERY CALVINIST belief I have is based only on the bible and everything I believe is in the bible and I can show it to you. If something is not in the bible I am not go ing to teach it. I do not look to mans logic in my faith I look only to te bible.
Here are some more verses on the topic of total depraved.
Eph 2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,1
This is a good passage on the sin that we have. We are dead. We had to be rescued and made alive. We were dead and Jesus made us alive and not that we are coming to Jesus. We walkied according to the world and not with Jesus. We were part of the devil and he had blinded us and the devil blinded us until the Lord made the path clear. Look at the BUT. It has to be God that saved and not us.
Eph 4 17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.2
18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart;
Non saved have the mind that God does not work on because they rebel before him. They are blind in the heart.
Col 2 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
You were dead Jesus made you alive.
James 2 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.3
Break one point your in hell forever. No hope unless Jesus steps in
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
Here are some more verses on the topic of total depraved.
Eph 2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,1
This is a good passage on the sin that we have. We are dead. We had to be rescued and made alive. We were dead and Jesus made us alive and not that we are coming to Jesus. We walkied according to the world and not with Jesus. We were part of the devil and he had blinded us and the devil blinded us until the Lord made the path clear. Look at the BUT. It has to be God that saved and not us.
Eph 4 17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.2
18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart;
Non saved have the mind that God does not work on because they rebel before him. They are blind in the heart.
Col 2 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
You were dead Jesus made you alive.
James 2 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.3
Break one point your in hell forever. No hope unless Jesus steps in
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
Wednesday, March 21, 2007
we all failed
I am going to say if your trying to shut me down here is the facts. First I blocked you because your baptist church has taught race is a reason not to get married. It is a shame the Bob Jones bible college teaches this racial bull. It is reason that you needed to not talk to me on the net and if your pals think they are ok to be like this they will be blocked.
It is unsafe to talk to people that take a strong stand on the net. If one is a little not agreeing with you on religion or politics the safe thing is to kick them off your site. I do not know this person. One could be a nut case with a gun and kill me I just do not know. Who know if one know me they can shot me or stalk me. I advise all people to screen people on the blog would and chat rooms. One may need to not get into a fellowship with a person who does not share your views. I think I am going to be careful who is posting on my page just because you never can be too careful. Not that people are ever like that. I am not going to talk to many people here that are not on my side or sharwe my views. Just to scary. Take a stand and people will hate your guts I know, why take the chance if they are not going to agree than they got to find a new place, we live with freedom of speech and freedom to think whatever you want about the bible. It might be wrong but that is your freedom and rights I am not going to tone down the things i say but I am going to not let you read them and threaten me and tell me I cannot say whatever. I can say things about the Baptist church or the government or how I do not think this is good or bad. No personal attacks are right and I am not into those unless your just off the deep end.
I am going on in my study.
Rom 1 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
So many try to make this say that if one does not know the Lord. IF YOU did not know the Lord God might let you in and your fine. Not right if you do not know the Lord and you die hell. Even if you never heard. That ought to alone make us that Love the Lord tell you you need him. Without Jesus no heaven. But this goes deeper and it does because no one can know Grace unless they are told.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
God gave them to their sins and decided not to save them and that was his call. Who is he talking to and about? Man of all time. Man is corrupt and God let them do this on our own.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
Good passage to show homosexuals are not made that way. They are made and then because of mans sin they are made homos.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.1
Romans 2 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
We do not judge because we are sinners and the sin makes all our judgments off. We cannot ever make the right call because our minds are are filled with sin and off the mark. So if we tried to make a call we are off because our standard is not right.
2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.
We cannot say that anyone is measureing up. In 7 no one can do this outside of Jesus. No one did good before is is even able to because our nature as mankind is dreaded and we are condemned. Grace has to be the reason. And Jesus has to make this possible because works are not good in anyway to Jesus.
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.2
It is saying that this is the sinners court day. This is not a thing Christians do because the gospel is not been presented in the book until 3 and if we take this to mean Christians then we take the bible out of context.
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
It is unsafe to talk to people that take a strong stand on the net. If one is a little not agreeing with you on religion or politics the safe thing is to kick them off your site. I do not know this person. One could be a nut case with a gun and kill me I just do not know. Who know if one know me they can shot me or stalk me. I advise all people to screen people on the blog would and chat rooms. One may need to not get into a fellowship with a person who does not share your views. I think I am going to be careful who is posting on my page just because you never can be too careful. Not that people are ever like that. I am not going to talk to many people here that are not on my side or sharwe my views. Just to scary. Take a stand and people will hate your guts I know, why take the chance if they are not going to agree than they got to find a new place, we live with freedom of speech and freedom to think whatever you want about the bible. It might be wrong but that is your freedom and rights I am not going to tone down the things i say but I am going to not let you read them and threaten me and tell me I cannot say whatever. I can say things about the Baptist church or the government or how I do not think this is good or bad. No personal attacks are right and I am not into those unless your just off the deep end.
I am going on in my study.
Rom 1 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
So many try to make this say that if one does not know the Lord. IF YOU did not know the Lord God might let you in and your fine. Not right if you do not know the Lord and you die hell. Even if you never heard. That ought to alone make us that Love the Lord tell you you need him. Without Jesus no heaven. But this goes deeper and it does because no one can know Grace unless they are told.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
God gave them to their sins and decided not to save them and that was his call. Who is he talking to and about? Man of all time. Man is corrupt and God let them do this on our own.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
Good passage to show homosexuals are not made that way. They are made and then because of mans sin they are made homos.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.1
Romans 2 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
We do not judge because we are sinners and the sin makes all our judgments off. We cannot ever make the right call because our minds are are filled with sin and off the mark. So if we tried to make a call we are off because our standard is not right.
2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.
We cannot say that anyone is measureing up. In 7 no one can do this outside of Jesus. No one did good before is is even able to because our nature as mankind is dreaded and we are condemned. Grace has to be the reason. And Jesus has to make this possible because works are not good in anyway to Jesus.
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.2
It is saying that this is the sinners court day. This is not a thing Christians do because the gospel is not been presented in the book until 3 and if we take this to mean Christians then we take the bible out of context.
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
Labels: calvinism, internet safety, warning
Tuesday, March 13, 2007
we all are no good
Last chance to get into the board for the ncaa. Email me or message me for the info please. I want you on if you want to. I need you to be in so we can have a good time. But I need to make sure we are not playing for money because that is not right. I want to go into the word tonight. Comment still are like always banging on me on this topic. I am sure I am going to get more as I move on but make some comments on what is good to and look over the texts and reason from them because I am using the bible to make points. Some of the passage I am looking at for the first time as maybe you are to so comment on the passages and not the concept. I am looking into the mind of God which is only in the bible and not for my logic but to the word of God for the truth. To look into myself or logic is to deny the Lords mind. We are not going to go there on my pager
Job 15 14 “What is man, that he could be pure?
And he who is born of a woman, that he could be righteous?
If God puts no trust in His saints,
And the heavens are not pure in His sight,
How much less man, who is abominable and filthy,
Who drinks iniquity like water!
Man is not pure and after sin is not going to be. But what hits me here that God does not trust you for anything. God does not trust you to live right and God does not trust your choices. He kinda makes them for you. EXAMPLE Does Jesus trust you go to church? No he had to command it and make it part of the faith. Does Jesus trust you to know what to do in a case like if you find money laying on the ground? No you give it back because the Lord told you to. We are a part of Our Lord and when he gives direction we follow because he said so and he is God! I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT LAW but as our dad is God we obey him because he knows the best for you. Ben has been going bowling with me and teaching me how to bowl better. I take what said to do and I do it because I want to be better and God made me and knows how I can be the best and he tells me how in his word and I obey to get the most out of his life. Gods commands are not so God can huker me and be mean but they teach me how to love and be a better man. I went of on a trail but I think it is good to think about God being a loving daddy and to obey him for a reason or two. 1 because he is our dad and we love him and for our own good and growth. And the great command is to love and follow our Lord and love all.
Psalms 14 1 The fool has said in his heart,“There is no God.”
They are corrupt,
They have done abominable works,
There is none who does good.
2 The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men,
To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.
3 They have all turned aside,
They have together become corrupt;
There is none who does good,
No, not one.1
Lots here. We are all if we are not saved corrupt, we all do bad works that do not honor the Lord, and not one ever did any good. Matter of truth if we do not work in Jesus name and with his blessing all work we do is no good. God looks down on unsaved man and he sees no one seeking his love. If a man is seeking God is doing all of it. God is drawing in every case. If one is seeking the hunger is planted by Jesus and the Holy Spirit. All are seeking their own good and God is seeking all that can be saved. If one did good then the bible is wrong here no one ever did good inside of themselves. God is all there is good and he is the good thing and no one can choose him. Yes God called Adam and eve good but the sin made them totally unable to be good in anyway.
Psalms 51 5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.2
In sin David was made. Sin so made man bad that babies are infected. Now they are not held to account until they are made to know in their hearts they are sinners and Jesus paid for the sins. Could it be that if a child dies under age God has made his heaven open for them. God determines the death of all man and that means when a baby died God takes him to himself.
Psalms 94 11 The Lord knows the thoughts of man,
That they are futile.3
Man is wicked in thought life.
Psalms 130 3 If You, Lord, should mark iniquities,
O Lord, who could stand?4
No one is going to goto god and say he has no sin. If God did not make one trust the truth no one ever would.
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
Job 15 14 “What is man, that he could be pure?
And he who is born of a woman, that he could be righteous?
If God puts no trust in His saints,
And the heavens are not pure in His sight,
How much less man, who is abominable and filthy,
Who drinks iniquity like water!
Man is not pure and after sin is not going to be. But what hits me here that God does not trust you for anything. God does not trust you to live right and God does not trust your choices. He kinda makes them for you. EXAMPLE Does Jesus trust you go to church? No he had to command it and make it part of the faith. Does Jesus trust you to know what to do in a case like if you find money laying on the ground? No you give it back because the Lord told you to. We are a part of Our Lord and when he gives direction we follow because he said so and he is God! I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT LAW but as our dad is God we obey him because he knows the best for you. Ben has been going bowling with me and teaching me how to bowl better. I take what said to do and I do it because I want to be better and God made me and knows how I can be the best and he tells me how in his word and I obey to get the most out of his life. Gods commands are not so God can huker me and be mean but they teach me how to love and be a better man. I went of on a trail but I think it is good to think about God being a loving daddy and to obey him for a reason or two. 1 because he is our dad and we love him and for our own good and growth. And the great command is to love and follow our Lord and love all.
Psalms 14 1 The fool has said in his heart,“There is no God.”
They are corrupt,
They have done abominable works,
There is none who does good.
2 The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men,
To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.
3 They have all turned aside,
They have together become corrupt;
There is none who does good,
No, not one.1
Lots here. We are all if we are not saved corrupt, we all do bad works that do not honor the Lord, and not one ever did any good. Matter of truth if we do not work in Jesus name and with his blessing all work we do is no good. God looks down on unsaved man and he sees no one seeking his love. If a man is seeking God is doing all of it. God is drawing in every case. If one is seeking the hunger is planted by Jesus and the Holy Spirit. All are seeking their own good and God is seeking all that can be saved. If one did good then the bible is wrong here no one ever did good inside of themselves. God is all there is good and he is the good thing and no one can choose him. Yes God called Adam and eve good but the sin made them totally unable to be good in anyway.
Psalms 51 5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.2
In sin David was made. Sin so made man bad that babies are infected. Now they are not held to account until they are made to know in their hearts they are sinners and Jesus paid for the sins. Could it be that if a child dies under age God has made his heaven open for them. God determines the death of all man and that means when a baby died God takes him to himself.
Psalms 94 11 The Lord knows the thoughts of man,
That they are futile.3
Man is wicked in thought life.
Psalms 130 3 If You, Lord, should mark iniquities,
O Lord, who could stand?4
No one is going to goto god and say he has no sin. If God did not make one trust the truth no one ever would.
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
Labels: BIBLE, calvinism, depraved man
Monday, March 12, 2007
Total a sinner
What is total depravity? It means your so bad off in sin you are not able to come to jesus and get saved without Jesus giving you all you need. It means sin is so bad that without the help of Jesus no one is ever saved. We died on the first sin we did toward God. Nothing can we ever do is able to saved us. God made adam leave the garden never to return. It took one sin for moses one sin not to enter the land and one sin we do is so serious that hell awaits one who commits one sin. God is so perfect that one mistake is not ever allowed to be part of his work. Listen if you steal one gum ball and that is the only sin you ever did God would send you away from his heaven forever. Now I am not going to just leave us hanging I am again going into the bible and letting the bible say what it said. Logic is not what we need the bible is what we need. In the bible it said Jesus is 100 percet God. It also said Jesus is 100 percent man but Jesus is not 200 percent. I think anti calvinists somewhat do not like anti logic in the bible but it is not us to know the plans of God and to want to is not right.
Ere begins the list for total de[raved
Gen 6 5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.1
All the people were infected by sin and nobody went after God. So God killed them all. God was not happy at this point he made man. He declared all were not right with them. So was Noah in his time as he got drunk. We have not changed from this time. Man has the sin thing down and our intent is never that of Gods will because we are wicked in all our ways.
Gen 8 21 And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done
God is not going to do the same thing yet notice the condition of Man is the same. We are evil from our youth. We have hearts that are bad and God does not want them in the natural state. God saved us but if your saved your going to change into a person God is going to use.
Numbers 15 37 Again the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 38 “Speak to the children of Israel: Tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a blue thread in the tassels of the corners. 39 And you shall have the tassel, that you may look upon it and remember all the commandments of the Lord and do them, and that you may not follow the harlotry to which your own heart and your own eyes are inclined,2
Man is shown here to have a heart outside of wanting to follow the Laws and commands of God. We do it our way. I am sorry if you do not think you need to obey folks but here God said you do. Jesus said if you love him your going to obey his commands to love. But on your own folks they and you are not going to do the obey thing. We cannot because our hearts and minds are just tainted with evil. We are no different. We in our day are for our selfs and not on fire for the Lord.
1 kings 8 46 “When they sin against You (for there is no one who does not sin), and You become angry with them and deliver them to the enemy, and they take them captive to the land of the enemy, far or near; 3
See everyone sins. If you sin you get the wrath of it and all it entails.
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
Ere begins the list for total de[raved
Gen 6 5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.1
All the people were infected by sin and nobody went after God. So God killed them all. God was not happy at this point he made man. He declared all were not right with them. So was Noah in his time as he got drunk. We have not changed from this time. Man has the sin thing down and our intent is never that of Gods will because we are wicked in all our ways.
Gen 8 21 And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done
God is not going to do the same thing yet notice the condition of Man is the same. We are evil from our youth. We have hearts that are bad and God does not want them in the natural state. God saved us but if your saved your going to change into a person God is going to use.
Numbers 15 37 Again the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 38 “Speak to the children of Israel: Tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a blue thread in the tassels of the corners. 39 And you shall have the tassel, that you may look upon it and remember all the commandments of the Lord and do them, and that you may not follow the harlotry to which your own heart and your own eyes are inclined,2
Man is shown here to have a heart outside of wanting to follow the Laws and commands of God. We do it our way. I am sorry if you do not think you need to obey folks but here God said you do. Jesus said if you love him your going to obey his commands to love. But on your own folks they and you are not going to do the obey thing. We cannot because our hearts and minds are just tainted with evil. We are no different. We in our day are for our selfs and not on fire for the Lord.
1 kings 8 46 “When they sin against You (for there is no one who does not sin), and You become angry with them and deliver them to the enemy, and they take them captive to the land of the enemy, far or near; 3
See everyone sins. If you sin you get the wrath of it and all it entails.
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
Labels: BIBLE, calvinism, depraved man
Saturday, March 10, 2007
More on Gods Selection
I am not that great at nailing this every night. We are in a series on Calvin and the bible passages he used to find his ideas. We have been here for a bit and it is going to be as longer time then I thought. I got a ton more things to prove. Over the last times I am presenting a overview to this and how the bible is giving a case of the chance God works this way. So I want to finish up part one and go into part 2.
James 1 16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. 18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.1
Of Gods own will he gave us the word of truth. God gave us his love. Perhaps the word was given to show that God was into a new thing and also to prove the grace and Love of God.
1 Peter 1 , 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:2
Elect is to call out of the world or to pick or select. God selected the people. Note also the author is Peter and so we see another author was teaching this thinking.
The foreknowledge of God. It is not that God just knew some how that the people who would pick him. God know because God picked. Look here about this same thing is said by Paul
Romans 8 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.3
different order of words but the foreknow had to be planned. God had to plan this.
2 Peter 1 10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.4
Call and election sure. We are to live in a way so people know that our life is Gods and not ours.
Jude 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Here is something about God had people marked for hell. False teachers are the ones here and if your one of them your marked. God does not like fakes. He is going to tear them down. Scary thing.
Rev 13 8 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.5
Now you seen the first part on the chosing of the Lord. For fun here are a few on the other side
romans 10 word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 6
2 peter 3 8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.7
1 tim 2 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying— a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.8
So there is parts of the bible where this seems to be a bit not right.
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
James 1 16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. 18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.1
Of Gods own will he gave us the word of truth. God gave us his love. Perhaps the word was given to show that God was into a new thing and also to prove the grace and Love of God.
1 Peter 1 , 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:2
Elect is to call out of the world or to pick or select. God selected the people. Note also the author is Peter and so we see another author was teaching this thinking.
The foreknowledge of God. It is not that God just knew some how that the people who would pick him. God know because God picked. Look here about this same thing is said by Paul
Romans 8 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.3
different order of words but the foreknow had to be planned. God had to plan this.
2 Peter 1 10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.4
Call and election sure. We are to live in a way so people know that our life is Gods and not ours.
Jude 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Here is something about God had people marked for hell. False teachers are the ones here and if your one of them your marked. God does not like fakes. He is going to tear them down. Scary thing.
Rev 13 8 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.5
Now you seen the first part on the chosing of the Lord. For fun here are a few on the other side
romans 10 word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 6
2 peter 3 8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.7
1 tim 2 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying— a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.8
So there is parts of the bible where this seems to be a bit not right.
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
Wednesday, March 07, 2007
Calvinism more an more needed
So I asked you Ron to read the book of 2 Peter. I ask you again to read the context of the verses and then come and talk them over. I am not going to debate this until I am done and at a place where I can. In reading the bible you have to read the book and the chapter then the verse. And the thing about Gods mind? Yes you cannot know the mind of God and that is in the bible. We read the bible to know Gods mind and do what it tells us to do, not to know the mind of God. Read the book of Job and explain that book and what God is saying. So I stand on you cannot use logic of this day to say the bible means something it does not. Like free will is found and choice is found but so is election so you have t5o play both sides of what the bible is saying. God can and does do this on many things and that is not give us a clear read on a topic. Like Eternal Life. In a reading of Hebrews 6 if you read it you would think it talks about losing salvation but that is not what it talks about and reading more of the book shows that. I need to do some more on how to study the bible maybe.
Ok I want to go over some more
Eph 2 2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
I need to drill this first part of the passage. He made you alive when you were dead in trespasses. It is important to know that a sinner is dead and that means he cannot choose anything good because he is without a light. If one is dead he is dead. I am not going to go into a thinking that he is ok and alive to pick God when this said he is not.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
But God had to work in this. God made us alive. We did not get alive and pick then get saved. That is a work of the Lord and not us. All of the work is Gods and he gets all the glory. I sis not pick to get saved without Jesus working in my life. Now to choose Jesus yes I chose but Jesus did the enabling and made me alive.
7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.1
Work that is prepared BEFORE we Got saved. God made the works and gave them to you. You did nothing but obey. And no works you did got you saved (in case your into a baptism salvation)
Col 3 12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.2
Elect of God... This is a charge of God in the way we have to live in the faith. Also it teaches that we need to forgive. It is not loving to be racial. I have had that that on my heart. It is wrong to separate anyone because of color. Bob jones did and that makes him a moron. If your at Bob Jones and follow the stupid and unloving rule of not dating over race friend your not saved and also if you a race separatist in any way your not a Christian. Sorry if you want the easy way out. I am so sad any baptist is racial. I will not go to any school that hints at this in any shape. I need a statement from you Pastor that you are not as Bob Jones because without it I am not going to go to your place EVER. Do not make race a thing to separate and do not make your church the only one in town. Both are not righteous.
We are to love everyone and if we do not we do not we are not saved.
1 thes 1 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers, 3 remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father, 4 knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. 5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.3
1 thes 2 12 that you would walk worthy of God who calls you into His own kingdom and glory.4
God who calls you
2 thes 2 13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.5
From the beginning God choose you, He called you b y the gospel. Who did the work? You or God.
1 Tim
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,6
Titus 1 Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, 2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, 7
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
Ok I want to go over some more
Eph 2 2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
I need to drill this first part of the passage. He made you alive when you were dead in trespasses. It is important to know that a sinner is dead and that means he cannot choose anything good because he is without a light. If one is dead he is dead. I am not going to go into a thinking that he is ok and alive to pick God when this said he is not.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
But God had to work in this. God made us alive. We did not get alive and pick then get saved. That is a work of the Lord and not us. All of the work is Gods and he gets all the glory. I sis not pick to get saved without Jesus working in my life. Now to choose Jesus yes I chose but Jesus did the enabling and made me alive.
7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.1
Work that is prepared BEFORE we Got saved. God made the works and gave them to you. You did nothing but obey. And no works you did got you saved (in case your into a baptism salvation)
Col 3 12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.2
Elect of God... This is a charge of God in the way we have to live in the faith. Also it teaches that we need to forgive. It is not loving to be racial. I have had that that on my heart. It is wrong to separate anyone because of color. Bob jones did and that makes him a moron. If your at Bob Jones and follow the stupid and unloving rule of not dating over race friend your not saved and also if you a race separatist in any way your not a Christian. Sorry if you want the easy way out. I am so sad any baptist is racial. I will not go to any school that hints at this in any shape. I need a statement from you Pastor that you are not as Bob Jones because without it I am not going to go to your place EVER. Do not make race a thing to separate and do not make your church the only one in town. Both are not righteous.
We are to love everyone and if we do not we do not we are not saved.
1 thes 1 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers, 3 remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father, 4 knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. 5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.3
1 thes 2 12 that you would walk worthy of God who calls you into His own kingdom and glory.4
God who calls you
2 thes 2 13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.5
From the beginning God choose you, He called you b y the gospel. Who did the work? You or God.
1 Tim
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,6
Titus 1 Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, 2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, 7
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
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Thursday, March 01, 2007
Calvinism more an more needed
I have not found a thing going to hit Mac on his bible in the Rom 8 28-30 passage. I am not going to look for it any more tonight, But I want to keep on the survey because there is a ton of things in my thinking to outline and I need to keep going so by easter I am back in John.
Rom 8 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.1
God elect are the people God choose to be saved. God called them and we took a look at that word last time. It cannot be that God just called people he knew that would come to him. We are going to prove and show that no one can call on God because they are to sinnful and in sin they are dead. It is called Total Depravity and we get that when we look at it as a part of this series.
Rom 9 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”2
I do not really want to touch this with a ten foot pole because I am going to have 50 comments and e mails. I think this a an example of how God calls people. I see it this way and I will outlind it
1 2 sets of people
a flesh
b God
2 look at 11 God picks a people not on merit. He picked them so the purpose of God might stand. Not of works but of Grace.
4 God hated one and loved the other. Now God made the chose out of his plan of salvation. Does God have a hate. Yes. Did he pick Jacob because of Merit. No. Did God make a call here one good and one bad. Yep. Why? If you know this your higher than God because God never told me in this bible.
Rom 11 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.3
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”4
God blinded some to the truth of the Gospel? Yep
1 cor 214 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 5
No man can receive the things of God because... God blinded them
1 Cor 1 26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
REASON TO THINK ELECTION IS RIGHT
GOD GETS ALL THE GLORY BECAUSE IT IS HIS IDEAS AND PLANS AND YOU ARE JUST THERE BECAUSE AND YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. NO SELF GLORY OR GLORY WHEN YOU WIN A SOUL. GOD GETS 1000 PERCENT BECAUSE GOD SAVES ALONE.
Gal 1 15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace,6
Paul picked Jesus out of his will right? No He was picked friend and if Paul was so were you. Are you greater than Paul? Paul did not choose Jesus knocked him over and said your mine. So why did you have power when God picked Paul? All Grace. No works from Paul to get saved.
EPH 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.7
Does this get anymore clearer? He picked us as he gives us everything at the point we are saved. People in some places think the Lord is going to give them more and more blessings. No when your saved you get all the possible blessing the moment you get saved. Your filled in the spirit the second youre saved. And this is just like Jesus picking you and paul from the womb. Not a New concept
Jer 1 5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;
Before you were born I sanctified you;
I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”8
In the womb God had started your salvation plan.
Eph 2 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,9
Why?
Phil 2 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.10
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
9The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
10The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
Rom 8 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.1
God elect are the people God choose to be saved. God called them and we took a look at that word last time. It cannot be that God just called people he knew that would come to him. We are going to prove and show that no one can call on God because they are to sinnful and in sin they are dead. It is called Total Depravity and we get that when we look at it as a part of this series.
Rom 9 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”2
I do not really want to touch this with a ten foot pole because I am going to have 50 comments and e mails. I think this a an example of how God calls people. I see it this way and I will outlind it
1 2 sets of people
a flesh
b God
2 look at 11 God picks a people not on merit. He picked them so the purpose of God might stand. Not of works but of Grace.
4 God hated one and loved the other. Now God made the chose out of his plan of salvation. Does God have a hate. Yes. Did he pick Jacob because of Merit. No. Did God make a call here one good and one bad. Yep. Why? If you know this your higher than God because God never told me in this bible.
Rom 11 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.3
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”4
God blinded some to the truth of the Gospel? Yep
1 cor 214 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 5
No man can receive the things of God because... God blinded them
1 Cor 1 26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
REASON TO THINK ELECTION IS RIGHT
GOD GETS ALL THE GLORY BECAUSE IT IS HIS IDEAS AND PLANS AND YOU ARE JUST THERE BECAUSE AND YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. NO SELF GLORY OR GLORY WHEN YOU WIN A SOUL. GOD GETS 1000 PERCENT BECAUSE GOD SAVES ALONE.
Gal 1 15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace,6
Paul picked Jesus out of his will right? No He was picked friend and if Paul was so were you. Are you greater than Paul? Paul did not choose Jesus knocked him over and said your mine. So why did you have power when God picked Paul? All Grace. No works from Paul to get saved.
EPH 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.7
Does this get anymore clearer? He picked us as he gives us everything at the point we are saved. People in some places think the Lord is going to give them more and more blessings. No when your saved you get all the possible blessing the moment you get saved. Your filled in the spirit the second youre saved. And this is just like Jesus picking you and paul from the womb. Not a New concept
Jer 1 5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;
Before you were born I sanctified you;
I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”8
In the womb God had started your salvation plan.
Eph 2 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,9
Why?
Phil 2 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.10
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
9The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
10The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
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Tuesday, February 27, 2007
More on Calvin
Tim no I am not here bashing to you. And all this junk on Macarthur is going to be on here so get use to it because I know John and many people at grace. I know 3 Pastors at grace and many at the school he is Pres of. I have been thought grace to you 2 times and seen in action all they do. I have well over 1000 tapes of him preaching and listened to will over 400. So when you rip on him your ripping on a man I know very well. I know he studies the bible 40 hours a week for 50 years for a fact. He is the greatest bible scholar alive by far. So when he talked about this topic he has done work on it more then Jones or Hyles ever did combined. One more thing on John he is a humble man and I have spoke to him at least 10 times and know people who have personal friendships with him including his doc and his son who I talk to at least 3 times a week. So I will use him as a resource and if you do not like him I can tell you as a man who does a ton of work in this day of national teachers He is real and humble and there is not anything you can really say bad about Macarthur.
As for the passage I am not of the belief that man has no place in his own salvation. Paul said to work is out with fear and trembling, Peter said that whoever will can have it. Yet I do not think everyone can freely chose without the total work of Gods grace. I will get to that but I still have 50 passages to go in my intro on the topic. Then I go into the TULIP issues and the verses on all of them. Then I got sermons if we got time to go over.
So Lets go on this bible survey on the Gods C choice
Acts 2 22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it1
Purpose of God and foreknowledge of God by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God. From eternity past (2 Tim. 1:9; Rev. 13:8) God predetermined that Jesus would die an atoning death as part of the His pre-ordained plan (4:27, 28; 13:27–29).2
Acts 2 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
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As many as the the Lord will call. It is also proof God is calling.
Word for today
CALL, CALLING — an important theological idea with several different meanings in the Bible:
1. God’s call of individuals to Salvation, made possible by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross (Rom. 8:28–30; 1 Thess. 2:12). God’s call to salvation also involves believers in the high calling of living their lives in service to others (1 Cor. 7:20).
Not a mac source btw.
Acts 2 And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.4
GOD adds to the church not you come and get in. God does all the saving and all you do is what the Lords power grants you to do and that is chose him. Yes there is a part you chose but not on your own it is the work of Jesus and the Holy Ghost that grants you the faith.
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Acts 13 48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.5
As many that were appointed got saved. God had his people picked out it said to get saved.
13:48 appointed to eternal life. One of Scripture’s clearest statements on the sovereignty of God in salvation. God chooses man for salvation, not the opposite (John 6:65; Eph. 1:4; Col. 3:12; 2 Thess. 2:13). Faith itself is a gift from God (Eph. 2:8, 9).6
God picked Paul as he did for all the saved.
12 “Then a certain Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good testimony with all the Jews who dwelt there, 13 came to me; and he stood and said to me, ‘Brother Saul, receive your sight.’ And at that same hour I looked up at him. 14 Then he said, ‘The God of our fathers has chosen you that you should know His will, and see the Just One, and hear the voice of His mouth. 15 For you will be His witness to all men of what you have seen and heard. 16 And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’7
On to the book of Romans where I am going to get nailed because this debate has got so much in this book.
Romans 1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;8
Rom 8 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.9
Macs thoughts
8:29 foreknew. Not a reference simply to God’s omniscience—that in eternity past He knew who would come to Christ. Rather, it speaks of a predetermined choice to set His love on us and established an intimate relationship—or His election (cf. Acts 2:23—an inviolable rule of Gr. grammar, called the Granville Sharp rule, equates “predestinated” and “foreknowledge;” see notes on 1 Pet. 1:1, 2, and cf. with 1:20—the term must be interpreted the same in both verses). See notes on election in 9:10–24. predestined. Lit. “to mark out, appoint, or determine beforehand.” Those God chooses, He destines for His chosen end—that is, likeness to His Son (see notes on Eph. 1:4, 5, 11). conformed to the image of His Son. The goal of God’s predestined purpose for His own is that they would be made like Jesus Christ. This is the “prize of the upward call” (Phil. 3:14); cf. Eph. 4:13; Col. 1:28; Phil. 3:20, 21; 1 John 3:2). firstborn. The preeminent one, the only one who is the rightful heir (cf. Ps. 89:27; Col. 1:15–18; Rev. 1:5). Jesus Christ is the most notable one among those who have become “brethren” by being made like Him.10
Lots of thoughts on this passage and next time I am going to look if I can find some other thoughts that we can compare.
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
9The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
10John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
As for the passage I am not of the belief that man has no place in his own salvation. Paul said to work is out with fear and trembling, Peter said that whoever will can have it. Yet I do not think everyone can freely chose without the total work of Gods grace. I will get to that but I still have 50 passages to go in my intro on the topic. Then I go into the TULIP issues and the verses on all of them. Then I got sermons if we got time to go over.
So Lets go on this bible survey on the Gods C choice
Acts 2 22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it1
Purpose of God and foreknowledge of God by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God. From eternity past (2 Tim. 1:9; Rev. 13:8) God predetermined that Jesus would die an atoning death as part of the His pre-ordained plan (4:27, 28; 13:27–29).2
Acts 2 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
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As many as the the Lord will call. It is also proof God is calling.
Word for today
CALL, CALLING — an important theological idea with several different meanings in the Bible:
1. God’s call of individuals to Salvation, made possible by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross (Rom. 8:28–30; 1 Thess. 2:12). God’s call to salvation also involves believers in the high calling of living their lives in service to others (1 Cor. 7:20).
Not a mac source btw.
Acts 2 And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.4
GOD adds to the church not you come and get in. God does all the saving and all you do is what the Lords power grants you to do and that is chose him. Yes there is a part you chose but not on your own it is the work of Jesus and the Holy Ghost that grants you the faith.
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Acts 13 48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.5
As many that were appointed got saved. God had his people picked out it said to get saved.
13:48 appointed to eternal life. One of Scripture’s clearest statements on the sovereignty of God in salvation. God chooses man for salvation, not the opposite (John 6:65; Eph. 1:4; Col. 3:12; 2 Thess. 2:13). Faith itself is a gift from God (Eph. 2:8, 9).6
God picked Paul as he did for all the saved.
12 “Then a certain Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good testimony with all the Jews who dwelt there, 13 came to me; and he stood and said to me, ‘Brother Saul, receive your sight.’ And at that same hour I looked up at him. 14 Then he said, ‘The God of our fathers has chosen you that you should know His will, and see the Just One, and hear the voice of His mouth. 15 For you will be His witness to all men of what you have seen and heard. 16 And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’7
On to the book of Romans where I am going to get nailed because this debate has got so much in this book.
Romans 1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;8
Rom 8 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.9
Macs thoughts
8:29 foreknew. Not a reference simply to God’s omniscience—that in eternity past He knew who would come to Christ. Rather, it speaks of a predetermined choice to set His love on us and established an intimate relationship—or His election (cf. Acts 2:23—an inviolable rule of Gr. grammar, called the Granville Sharp rule, equates “predestinated” and “foreknowledge;” see notes on 1 Pet. 1:1, 2, and cf. with 1:20—the term must be interpreted the same in both verses). See notes on election in 9:10–24. predestined. Lit. “to mark out, appoint, or determine beforehand.” Those God chooses, He destines for His chosen end—that is, likeness to His Son (see notes on Eph. 1:4, 5, 11). conformed to the image of His Son. The goal of God’s predestined purpose for His own is that they would be made like Jesus Christ. This is the “prize of the upward call” (Phil. 3:14); cf. Eph. 4:13; Col. 1:28; Phil. 3:20, 21; 1 John 3:2). firstborn. The preeminent one, the only one who is the rightful heir (cf. Ps. 89:27; Col. 1:15–18; Rev. 1:5). Jesus Christ is the most notable one among those who have become “brethren” by being made like Him.10
Lots of thoughts on this passage and next time I am going to look if I can find some other thoughts that we can compare.
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
9The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
10John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
Thursday, February 22, 2007
It is not good to say that one thing that many people have studied is a false thinking. I am going to keep showing you what I think. Calvinism is a hated thing but it had to be looked at honestly. God chose people and nations and that is going to keep being out in the path I am taking. It is not false teaching either. So if you want to think it is all I got to say is bible bible and bible. It has to be there where the passages and grammar is wrong. I want your feedback but I want deeper than just being a baptist or been taught this is false. I am making a case and until it is out I think people ought to just listen and bring meaninggful stuff.
More verses
1 sam 12 2 For the Lord will not forsake His people, for His great name’s sake, because it has pleased the Lord to make you His people. 23 Moreover, as for me, far be it from me that I should sin against the Lord in ceasing to pray for you; but I will teach you the good and the right way. 24 Only fear the Lord, and serve Him in truth with all your heart; for consider what great things He has done for you.1
God made the people his. Did they choose God? No they sinned and God still kept them. God made the Jews his own. Jews were picked over all others.
1 kings 12 So the king did not listen to the people; for the turn of events was from the Lord, that He might fulfill His word, which the Lord had spoken by Ahijah the Shilonite to Jeroboam the son of Nebat.2
Turn of events were from the lord. When God spoke he does whatever he said he would. So when he said he is choosing in Eph that is what he did.
1 Kings 20 42 Then he said to him, “Thus says the Lord: ‘Because you have let slip out of your hand a man whom I appointed to utter destruction, therefore your life shall go for his life, and your people for his people.’ ”3
God apointed to utter destruction. God made some things for good and it is a fact God did not save everyone and he made some fit to never get saved and go to hell. \
2 Chr 6 5 ‘Since the day that I brought My people out of the land of Egypt, I have chosen no city from any tribe of Israel in which to build a house, that My name might be there, nor did I choose any man to be a ruler over My people Israel. 6 Yet I have chosen Jerusalem, that My name may be there, and I have chosen David to be over My people Israel.’ 7 Now it was in the heart of my father David to build a temple for the name of the Lord God of Israel.
God choose to dwell in one city. He did not dwell in China or North America. He choose one weak nation and he never made another one to go to. Even in sin the King was made David and God stayed there and forgave and kept the plan. God plans not mans plans people.
Job 23 13 “But He is unique, and who can make Him change?
And whatever His soul desires, that He does.
14 For He performs what is appointed for me,
And many such things are with Him.4
God does whatever he wants. Why is it that it is that man wants salvation and God is waiting for a choice of Man when God makes this work.
Psalms 33 12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord,
The people He has chosen as His own inheritance.5
God chose nations. Now I am going to take a rabbit trail. God did not chose our nation to be blessed. Why ought God pick us when we took to sin and made God nothing but a cuss word. No we did not honor Jesus in and of the founding documents. God took his hand off when we made the Gays ok and let them marry. It is so not ok to be a part of this movement. We took Him out of the schools and that is not good, it is a sad day when a teacher cannot lift Jesus up in the class room.
Ps 65 Blessed is the man You choose,
And cause to approach You,
That he may dwell in Your courts.
We shall be satisfied with the goodness of Your house,
Of Your holy temple.6
He chose and then he draws to his throne. Jesus draws you to his love and I am hoping you will response.
Psalms 78 67 Moreover He rejected the tent of Joseph,
And did not choose the tribe of Ephraim,
68 But chose the tribe of Judah,
Mount Zion which He loved.
69 And He built His sanctuary like the heights,
Like the earth which He has established forever.
70 He also chose David His servant,
And took him from the sheepfolds;
71 From following the ewes that had young He brought him,
To shepherd Jacob His people,
And Israel His inheritance.
72 So he shepherded them according to the integrity of his heart,
And guided them by the skillfulness of his hands.7
Psalms 4 For the Lord has chosen Jacob for Himself,
Israel for His special treasure.8
God ______________ Jacob. Did Jacob come to God or did God came to Jacob?
Proverbs 4 The Lord has made all for Himself,
Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.9
Ok the wicked are made for a day of doom
later
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
9The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
More verses
1 sam 12 2 For the Lord will not forsake His people, for His great name’s sake, because it has pleased the Lord to make you His people. 23 Moreover, as for me, far be it from me that I should sin against the Lord in ceasing to pray for you; but I will teach you the good and the right way. 24 Only fear the Lord, and serve Him in truth with all your heart; for consider what great things He has done for you.1
God made the people his. Did they choose God? No they sinned and God still kept them. God made the Jews his own. Jews were picked over all others.
1 kings 12 So the king did not listen to the people; for the turn of events was from the Lord, that He might fulfill His word, which the Lord had spoken by Ahijah the Shilonite to Jeroboam the son of Nebat.2
Turn of events were from the lord. When God spoke he does whatever he said he would. So when he said he is choosing in Eph that is what he did.
1 Kings 20 42 Then he said to him, “Thus says the Lord: ‘Because you have let slip out of your hand a man whom I appointed to utter destruction, therefore your life shall go for his life, and your people for his people.’ ”3
God apointed to utter destruction. God made some things for good and it is a fact God did not save everyone and he made some fit to never get saved and go to hell. \
2 Chr 6 5 ‘Since the day that I brought My people out of the land of Egypt, I have chosen no city from any tribe of Israel in which to build a house, that My name might be there, nor did I choose any man to be a ruler over My people Israel. 6 Yet I have chosen Jerusalem, that My name may be there, and I have chosen David to be over My people Israel.’ 7 Now it was in the heart of my father David to build a temple for the name of the Lord God of Israel.
God choose to dwell in one city. He did not dwell in China or North America. He choose one weak nation and he never made another one to go to. Even in sin the King was made David and God stayed there and forgave and kept the plan. God plans not mans plans people.
Job 23 13 “But He is unique, and who can make Him change?
And whatever His soul desires, that He does.
14 For He performs what is appointed for me,
And many such things are with Him.4
God does whatever he wants. Why is it that it is that man wants salvation and God is waiting for a choice of Man when God makes this work.
Psalms 33 12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord,
The people He has chosen as His own inheritance.5
God chose nations. Now I am going to take a rabbit trail. God did not chose our nation to be blessed. Why ought God pick us when we took to sin and made God nothing but a cuss word. No we did not honor Jesus in and of the founding documents. God took his hand off when we made the Gays ok and let them marry. It is so not ok to be a part of this movement. We took Him out of the schools and that is not good, it is a sad day when a teacher cannot lift Jesus up in the class room.
Ps 65 Blessed is the man You choose,
And cause to approach You,
That he may dwell in Your courts.
We shall be satisfied with the goodness of Your house,
Of Your holy temple.6
He chose and then he draws to his throne. Jesus draws you to his love and I am hoping you will response.
Psalms 78 67 Moreover He rejected the tent of Joseph,
And did not choose the tribe of Ephraim,
68 But chose the tribe of Judah,
Mount Zion which He loved.
69 And He built His sanctuary like the heights,
Like the earth which He has established forever.
70 He also chose David His servant,
And took him from the sheepfolds;
71 From following the ewes that had young He brought him,
To shepherd Jacob His people,
And Israel His inheritance.
72 So he shepherded them according to the integrity of his heart,
And guided them by the skillfulness of his hands.7
Psalms 4 For the Lord has chosen Jacob for Himself,
Israel for His special treasure.8
God ______________ Jacob. Did Jacob come to God or did God came to Jacob?
Proverbs 4 The Lord has made all for Himself,
Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.9
Ok the wicked are made for a day of doom
later
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
9The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
