Tuesday, February 27, 2007
More on Calvin
Tim no I am not here bashing to you. And all this junk on Macarthur is going to be on here so get use to it because I know John and many people at grace. I know 3 Pastors at grace and many at the school he is Pres of. I have been thought grace to you 2 times and seen in action all they do. I have well over 1000 tapes of him preaching and listened to will over 400. So when you rip on him your ripping on a man I know very well. I know he studies the bible 40 hours a week for 50 years for a fact. He is the greatest bible scholar alive by far. So when he talked about this topic he has done work on it more then Jones or Hyles ever did combined. One more thing on John he is a humble man and I have spoke to him at least 10 times and know people who have personal friendships with him including his doc and his son who I talk to at least 3 times a week. So I will use him as a resource and if you do not like him I can tell you as a man who does a ton of work in this day of national teachers He is real and humble and there is not anything you can really say bad about Macarthur.
As for the passage I am not of the belief that man has no place in his own salvation. Paul said to work is out with fear and trembling, Peter said that whoever will can have it. Yet I do not think everyone can freely chose without the total work of Gods grace. I will get to that but I still have 50 passages to go in my intro on the topic. Then I go into the TULIP issues and the verses on all of them. Then I got sermons if we got time to go over.
So Lets go on this bible survey on the Gods C choice
Acts 2 22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it1
Purpose of God and foreknowledge of God by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God. From eternity past (2 Tim. 1:9; Rev. 13:8) God predetermined that Jesus would die an atoning death as part of the His pre-ordained plan (4:27, 28; 13:27–29).2
Acts 2 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
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As many as the the Lord will call. It is also proof God is calling.
Word for today
CALL, CALLING — an important theological idea with several different meanings in the Bible:
1. God’s call of individuals to Salvation, made possible by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross (Rom. 8:28–30; 1 Thess. 2:12). God’s call to salvation also involves believers in the high calling of living their lives in service to others (1 Cor. 7:20).
Not a mac source btw.
Acts 2 And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.4
GOD adds to the church not you come and get in. God does all the saving and all you do is what the Lords power grants you to do and that is chose him. Yes there is a part you chose but not on your own it is the work of Jesus and the Holy Ghost that grants you the faith.
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Acts 13 48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.5
As many that were appointed got saved. God had his people picked out it said to get saved.
13:48 appointed to eternal life. One of Scripture’s clearest statements on the sovereignty of God in salvation. God chooses man for salvation, not the opposite (John 6:65; Eph. 1:4; Col. 3:12; 2 Thess. 2:13). Faith itself is a gift from God (Eph. 2:8, 9).6
God picked Paul as he did for all the saved.
12 “Then a certain Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good testimony with all the Jews who dwelt there, 13 came to me; and he stood and said to me, ‘Brother Saul, receive your sight.’ And at that same hour I looked up at him. 14 Then he said, ‘The God of our fathers has chosen you that you should know His will, and see the Just One, and hear the voice of His mouth. 15 For you will be His witness to all men of what you have seen and heard. 16 And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’7
On to the book of Romans where I am going to get nailed because this debate has got so much in this book.
Romans 1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;8
Rom 8 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.9
Macs thoughts
8:29 foreknew. Not a reference simply to God’s omniscience—that in eternity past He knew who would come to Christ. Rather, it speaks of a predetermined choice to set His love on us and established an intimate relationship—or His election (cf. Acts 2:23—an inviolable rule of Gr. grammar, called the Granville Sharp rule, equates “predestinated” and “foreknowledge;” see notes on 1 Pet. 1:1, 2, and cf. with 1:20—the term must be interpreted the same in both verses). See notes on election in 9:10–24. predestined. Lit. “to mark out, appoint, or determine beforehand.” Those God chooses, He destines for His chosen end—that is, likeness to His Son (see notes on Eph. 1:4, 5, 11). conformed to the image of His Son. The goal of God’s predestined purpose for His own is that they would be made like Jesus Christ. This is the “prize of the upward call” (Phil. 3:14); cf. Eph. 4:13; Col. 1:28; Phil. 3:20, 21; 1 John 3:2). firstborn. The preeminent one, the only one who is the rightful heir (cf. Ps. 89:27; Col. 1:15–18; Rev. 1:5). Jesus Christ is the most notable one among those who have become “brethren” by being made like Him.10
Lots of thoughts on this passage and next time I am going to look if I can find some other thoughts that we can compare.
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
9The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
10John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
As for the passage I am not of the belief that man has no place in his own salvation. Paul said to work is out with fear and trembling, Peter said that whoever will can have it. Yet I do not think everyone can freely chose without the total work of Gods grace. I will get to that but I still have 50 passages to go in my intro on the topic. Then I go into the TULIP issues and the verses on all of them. Then I got sermons if we got time to go over.
So Lets go on this bible survey on the Gods C choice
Acts 2 22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it1
Purpose of God and foreknowledge of God by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God. From eternity past (2 Tim. 1:9; Rev. 13:8) God predetermined that Jesus would die an atoning death as part of the His pre-ordained plan (4:27, 28; 13:27–29).2
Acts 2 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
3
As many as the the Lord will call. It is also proof God is calling.
Word for today
CALL, CALLING — an important theological idea with several different meanings in the Bible:
1. God’s call of individuals to Salvation, made possible by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross (Rom. 8:28–30; 1 Thess. 2:12). God’s call to salvation also involves believers in the high calling of living their lives in service to others (1 Cor. 7:20).
Not a mac source btw.
Acts 2 And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.4
GOD adds to the church not you come and get in. God does all the saving and all you do is what the Lords power grants you to do and that is chose him. Yes there is a part you chose but not on your own it is the work of Jesus and the Holy Ghost that grants you the faith.
.
Acts 13 48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.5
As many that were appointed got saved. God had his people picked out it said to get saved.
13:48 appointed to eternal life. One of Scripture’s clearest statements on the sovereignty of God in salvation. God chooses man for salvation, not the opposite (John 6:65; Eph. 1:4; Col. 3:12; 2 Thess. 2:13). Faith itself is a gift from God (Eph. 2:8, 9).6
God picked Paul as he did for all the saved.
12 “Then a certain Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good testimony with all the Jews who dwelt there, 13 came to me; and he stood and said to me, ‘Brother Saul, receive your sight.’ And at that same hour I looked up at him. 14 Then he said, ‘The God of our fathers has chosen you that you should know His will, and see the Just One, and hear the voice of His mouth. 15 For you will be His witness to all men of what you have seen and heard. 16 And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’7
On to the book of Romans where I am going to get nailed because this debate has got so much in this book.
Romans 1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;8
Rom 8 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.9
Macs thoughts
8:29 foreknew. Not a reference simply to God’s omniscience—that in eternity past He knew who would come to Christ. Rather, it speaks of a predetermined choice to set His love on us and established an intimate relationship—or His election (cf. Acts 2:23—an inviolable rule of Gr. grammar, called the Granville Sharp rule, equates “predestinated” and “foreknowledge;” see notes on 1 Pet. 1:1, 2, and cf. with 1:20—the term must be interpreted the same in both verses). See notes on election in 9:10–24. predestined. Lit. “to mark out, appoint, or determine beforehand.” Those God chooses, He destines for His chosen end—that is, likeness to His Son (see notes on Eph. 1:4, 5, 11). conformed to the image of His Son. The goal of God’s predestined purpose for His own is that they would be made like Jesus Christ. This is the “prize of the upward call” (Phil. 3:14); cf. Eph. 4:13; Col. 1:28; Phil. 3:20, 21; 1 John 3:2). firstborn. The preeminent one, the only one who is the rightful heir (cf. Ps. 89:27; Col. 1:15–18; Rev. 1:5). Jesus Christ is the most notable one among those who have become “brethren” by being made like Him.10
Lots of thoughts on this passage and next time I am going to look if I can find some other thoughts that we can compare.
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
9The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
10John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
