Tuesday, June 12, 2007
king james is not the only bible
I am going into issue I do not want to so you can leavwe them and I point to the blog. I do not like the KJV. I want to talk on why tonight. I start out with some reasons
1 It is hard to read. God did not make his book so hard to read
2 I do not like the theroy that a bunch of manuscripts were wrong and I think it is stupid to think folks think this.
3 Gail R's book is a Joke and it just did not prove it
http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/riplinger3.htm
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=664
http://answers.org/bookreviews/newagevers.html
Riplinger
Gail Riplinger has written a book New Age Bible Versions. A mailing list I was on was spoiled by a certain King James Only person, whose name I will not mention. He was abusive and posted foolish barrages consistently. He constantly referred to Riplingers book and offered to send copies to people. When I replied and said if he posted me a copy I would read every word he wrote back and said he was an invalid with no money. I still don't own a copy of this book, for I am not prepared to spend my money on it, but I have read portions of it, and I am disgusted.
Riplinger makes claim after claim, that involve quantum leaps of logic and are inconsistent in application. Her entire work is a myriad of conspiracy theory, and effectively relegates all modern translations of the Bible to being a "New Age" plot. I am truly saddened that many people have been deceived by this book (A pastor recently relayed on Compuserve's Worship forum about a lady who, after reading this book, destroyed all the non-King James Version Bibles at her Church. When confronted by the Pastor she exclaimed that "they" had got to him!) It is a sad blight on Christianity that many people do not take the time to think, for Riplinger's book is a farce and riddled with holes.
Riplinger claims that constant usage of the term "One" for God in the New International Version means that the NIV is actually referring to Satan, for God is not explicitly named. No evidence is offered to substantiate such a claim, but nevertheless, it is invalid for an abundance of examples of such usage may be found in the King James Version! Consider the "high and lofty One" of Isaiah, for one example.
Riplinger further tries to make use of a discrepency between the Lord's Prayer in one of the Gospels with its equivalent in the King James Version. She claims that the differences are due to the prayer actually being to Satan in the NIV! Amazing, but this is what she says - again, with not a shred of explanation or even logic. However, Riplinger fails to comment that the Lord's Prayer, in a form agreeable to her, occurs in the NIV, in a different gospel. If the NIV were a new age conspiracy, then surely it would be consistent in such demonisation, one would think.
4 Masters College and John Macartur do not like it
5 It is to legalistic and not found in grace but in churches that are into the law
http://www.bible.ca/b-kjv-only.htm
http://www.allabouttruth.org/king-james-only-faq.htm
Here are some other reasons
First, the accusation that modern versions compromise the truth is clearly fallacious. If the modern translations were part of some grand conspiracy to excise biblical doctrine, it is strange that these give full support to orthodox beliefs. Indeed, comments White, "Some KJV advocates are surprised to note that the KJV does not do as well as some modern versions when it comes to providing clear, understandable translations of the key, central passages in the New Testament that testify to the full deity of Jesus Christ."[17]
The argument for the Textus Receptus is a bit more complex. Let it suffice to say that most conservative scholars prefer an "eclectic" approach to the manuscripts, "in that each reading is examined on its own merits and no absolutely overriding rule is used to artificially decide each variant."[18]
Furthermore, the Byzantine text-type, which formed the basis for the King James Version, is lacking in the earliest manuscripts. Instead, the Bible of the early centuries of the Church resembled a more ancient, that is an Alexandrian text-type.[19] This doesn't mean that textual critics automatically favor older readings. But such manuscripts certainly ought to be given due consideration in the quest to uncover the original.
Finally, the desire for absolute certainty when it comes to textual matters, while understandable, is not realistic. History has left us with numerous extant manuscripts. These not only differ from each other, but none are flawless representations of the autographs. Even the King James is not without imperfection. For example, "a dozen or so readings in the KJV find no support in any Greek manuscript whatsoever."[20]
King James defenders are often critical of those who choose other Bible translations. Yet the King James Bible itself is fraught with a number of difficulties. For one, the King James Version is not as uniform and simplified a translation as its more radical adherents would like to believe. Indeed the Textus Receptus—a Byzantine type text that is often given high priority by King James defenders—is a collation of various textual readings.[21 Therefore, "to claim a particular text-type is inerrant is meaningless because a text-type is established by comparing manuscripts, grouping those with most features in common, and accepting the most probable readings."[22]
Next, the King James Bible is based on a number of relatively late manuscripts, none earlier than the tenth century. To arbitrarily assert that older texts (e.g., Alexandrian) are inferior surely begs the question. A more balanced approach would be to give appropriate weight to a variety of manuscript families and to then decide (based on internal and external criteria) which best reflects the original.[23] As mentioned above, this allows for both confidence and progress. Confidence results from a realization of the overall continuity between the many variants when it comes to major doctrine, while progress (and humility) is facilitated through diligent research. At any rate, the King James Only mentality only works to impede spiritual and intellectual integrity.
Finally, there is something to be said concerning the archaic language of the King James Bible. At times, its antiquated terminology has been a stumbling block to modern readers/hearers. Not only are certain words outdated (e.g., thou, ye), but some terms actually mean something entirely different today than they did when originally penned (e.g., prevent in 1 Thessalonians 4:15). Indeed, if one sure sign of a good translation is that it successfully relates the ancient text to contemporary people, the King James Version is swiftly becoming an inadequate vehicle of communication.
Missing verses
Interestingly enough, many a King James Only person has strived to claim that other translations (particularly the New International Version) are in error for they omit verses that are included in the King James, such as I John 5:7.
However, this is not a claim that supports the King James Version, and its continual use should really be abandoned by any reasonably intelligent King James' Only person - for it is a meaningless claim. It only has a basis if one pre-assumes that the King James Version is correct, and the basis by which all other translations should be judged.
Any person should be able to see that if a verse is missing from a translation, then two possible things have occurred. Either it is missing from the second translation, or it has been added to the first. Both are possible - and although a reading may appear to strengthen a doctrine, should we not strive to find precisely the words used by the original authors - which may not have included the extra verse!
Nevertheless, even if such a claim were true, the King James Only people are inconsistent in their application of it. For one example, the words and we are are missing from I John 3:1 in the King James Version. Could one then claim that the translators sought to diminish the concept that Christians are the children of God?
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorigin.html
http://www.revneal.org/Writings/errorof.htm
http://home.wi.rr.com/rationlchristian/KJVFront.htm
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/kjvdebat.html
I am going to stop here so read the links and if you go to not agree with them tell me We go from there
1 It is hard to read. God did not make his book so hard to read
2 I do not like the theroy that a bunch of manuscripts were wrong and I think it is stupid to think folks think this.
3 Gail R's book is a Joke and it just did not prove it
http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/riplinger3.htm
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=664
http://answers.org/bookreviews/newagevers.html
Riplinger
Gail Riplinger has written a book New Age Bible Versions. A mailing list I was on was spoiled by a certain King James Only person, whose name I will not mention. He was abusive and posted foolish barrages consistently. He constantly referred to Riplingers book and offered to send copies to people. When I replied and said if he posted me a copy I would read every word he wrote back and said he was an invalid with no money. I still don't own a copy of this book, for I am not prepared to spend my money on it, but I have read portions of it, and I am disgusted.
Riplinger makes claim after claim, that involve quantum leaps of logic and are inconsistent in application. Her entire work is a myriad of conspiracy theory, and effectively relegates all modern translations of the Bible to being a "New Age" plot. I am truly saddened that many people have been deceived by this book (A pastor recently relayed on Compuserve's Worship forum about a lady who, after reading this book, destroyed all the non-King James Version Bibles at her Church. When confronted by the Pastor she exclaimed that "they" had got to him!) It is a sad blight on Christianity that many people do not take the time to think, for Riplinger's book is a farce and riddled with holes.
Riplinger claims that constant usage of the term "One" for God in the New International Version means that the NIV is actually referring to Satan, for God is not explicitly named. No evidence is offered to substantiate such a claim, but nevertheless, it is invalid for an abundance of examples of such usage may be found in the King James Version! Consider the "high and lofty One" of Isaiah, for one example.
Riplinger further tries to make use of a discrepency between the Lord's Prayer in one of the Gospels with its equivalent in the King James Version. She claims that the differences are due to the prayer actually being to Satan in the NIV! Amazing, but this is what she says - again, with not a shred of explanation or even logic. However, Riplinger fails to comment that the Lord's Prayer, in a form agreeable to her, occurs in the NIV, in a different gospel. If the NIV were a new age conspiracy, then surely it would be consistent in such demonisation, one would think.
4 Masters College and John Macartur do not like it
5 It is to legalistic and not found in grace but in churches that are into the law
http://www.bible.ca/b-kjv-only.htm
http://www.allabouttruth.org/king-james-only-faq.htm
Here are some other reasons
First, the accusation that modern versions compromise the truth is clearly fallacious. If the modern translations were part of some grand conspiracy to excise biblical doctrine, it is strange that these give full support to orthodox beliefs. Indeed, comments White, "Some KJV advocates are surprised to note that the KJV does not do as well as some modern versions when it comes to providing clear, understandable translations of the key, central passages in the New Testament that testify to the full deity of Jesus Christ."[17]
The argument for the Textus Receptus is a bit more complex. Let it suffice to say that most conservative scholars prefer an "eclectic" approach to the manuscripts, "in that each reading is examined on its own merits and no absolutely overriding rule is used to artificially decide each variant."[18]
Furthermore, the Byzantine text-type, which formed the basis for the King James Version, is lacking in the earliest manuscripts. Instead, the Bible of the early centuries of the Church resembled a more ancient, that is an Alexandrian text-type.[19] This doesn't mean that textual critics automatically favor older readings. But such manuscripts certainly ought to be given due consideration in the quest to uncover the original.
Finally, the desire for absolute certainty when it comes to textual matters, while understandable, is not realistic. History has left us with numerous extant manuscripts. These not only differ from each other, but none are flawless representations of the autographs. Even the King James is not without imperfection. For example, "a dozen or so readings in the KJV find no support in any Greek manuscript whatsoever."[20]
King James defenders are often critical of those who choose other Bible translations. Yet the King James Bible itself is fraught with a number of difficulties. For one, the King James Version is not as uniform and simplified a translation as its more radical adherents would like to believe. Indeed the Textus Receptus—a Byzantine type text that is often given high priority by King James defenders—is a collation of various textual readings.[21 Therefore, "to claim a particular text-type is inerrant is meaningless because a text-type is established by comparing manuscripts, grouping those with most features in common, and accepting the most probable readings."[22]
Next, the King James Bible is based on a number of relatively late manuscripts, none earlier than the tenth century. To arbitrarily assert that older texts (e.g., Alexandrian) are inferior surely begs the question. A more balanced approach would be to give appropriate weight to a variety of manuscript families and to then decide (based on internal and external criteria) which best reflects the original.[23] As mentioned above, this allows for both confidence and progress. Confidence results from a realization of the overall continuity between the many variants when it comes to major doctrine, while progress (and humility) is facilitated through diligent research. At any rate, the King James Only mentality only works to impede spiritual and intellectual integrity.
Finally, there is something to be said concerning the archaic language of the King James Bible. At times, its antiquated terminology has been a stumbling block to modern readers/hearers. Not only are certain words outdated (e.g., thou, ye), but some terms actually mean something entirely different today than they did when originally penned (e.g., prevent in 1 Thessalonians 4:15). Indeed, if one sure sign of a good translation is that it successfully relates the ancient text to contemporary people, the King James Version is swiftly becoming an inadequate vehicle of communication.
Missing verses
Interestingly enough, many a King James Only person has strived to claim that other translations (particularly the New International Version) are in error for they omit verses that are included in the King James, such as I John 5:7.
However, this is not a claim that supports the King James Version, and its continual use should really be abandoned by any reasonably intelligent King James' Only person - for it is a meaningless claim. It only has a basis if one pre-assumes that the King James Version is correct, and the basis by which all other translations should be judged.
Any person should be able to see that if a verse is missing from a translation, then two possible things have occurred. Either it is missing from the second translation, or it has been added to the first. Both are possible - and although a reading may appear to strengthen a doctrine, should we not strive to find precisely the words used by the original authors - which may not have included the extra verse!
Nevertheless, even if such a claim were true, the King James Only people are inconsistent in their application of it. For one example, the words and we are are missing from I John 3:1 in the King James Version. Could one then claim that the translators sought to diminish the concept that Christians are the children of God?
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorigin.html
http://www.revneal.org/Writings/errorof.htm
http://home.wi.rr.com/rationlchristian/KJVFront.htm
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/kjvdebat.html
I am going to stop here so read the links and if you go to not agree with them tell me We go from there
Thursday, June 07, 2007
John 6 and up to date on me
We have been in the book of John this year and for the summer I am going to keep going in it. If we need to go over issues we will. I want to update on my personal life. I am no longer working for Panera bread or at the bar I am working for target here in town. I like the job so far because it is easy and the people are real nice. I went to the Twins game and we won so we are one and one when I go. I am watching movies to with blockbuster mail service. SO I am going to have tons of movie nights and good movies. I went and saw the governor last night as my pal Barry K is going to Iraq and going to fight in the war to give the chance for freedom for the land and the people. I am not sure I am ok with it all when the Christians do not have the freedom to plant churches and tell people about the Lord. If there is no Jesus It means no freedom in the heart of people. Jesus is the key to freedom and without him no freedom is worth it.
Here is todays bible lesson
60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
Soed it offend you that Jesus is teachiing He alone is the way to heaven or that he clearly said a few times in this passage that no one comes to Jesus without the Lord drawing him OR no one comes to Jesus that the father has not granted is. Jesus had preached this and many did not follow him anymore. Let me remind you of the place we are at in the word. People are following Jesus because the Lord has done many things that are abosultele impossible and miracles that jesus did. Jesus is giving tons of signs that he is the true one and he is sent from God and Jesus is showing folks that he is the one to follow. Is it that you follow Jesus for the heaven and your not willing to obey him and do as he said. Jesus asked you to put needs you have on the back of the line and fill his needs like shareing his grace with others or feeding folks that do not have. Jesus does expect you to love others and himself before you love yourself.
So here is what I take from this.
1 I want to follow Jesus and take on his hard stuff and love and obey his word.
2 I want to rest in the truth I am saved and not work for it but obey his word to know what to do.
66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 1
I want to freely walk in him and not for me
Here is todays bible lesson
60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
Soed it offend you that Jesus is teachiing He alone is the way to heaven or that he clearly said a few times in this passage that no one comes to Jesus without the Lord drawing him OR no one comes to Jesus that the father has not granted is. Jesus had preached this and many did not follow him anymore. Let me remind you of the place we are at in the word. People are following Jesus because the Lord has done many things that are abosultele impossible and miracles that jesus did. Jesus is giving tons of signs that he is the true one and he is sent from God and Jesus is showing folks that he is the one to follow. Is it that you follow Jesus for the heaven and your not willing to obey him and do as he said. Jesus asked you to put needs you have on the back of the line and fill his needs like shareing his grace with others or feeding folks that do not have. Jesus does expect you to love others and himself before you love yourself.
So here is what I take from this.
1 I want to follow Jesus and take on his hard stuff and love and obey his word.
2 I want to rest in the truth I am saved and not work for it but obey his word to know what to do.
66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 1
I want to freely walk in him and not for me
Monday, June 04, 2007
I am living for Jesus not you
I am not going to bow my need to human logic in the matter of election, I am going to the bible and going to stand on this message. If your saved it is the choice God made for you to get saved. All the drawing is from the Lord and the choice was all a gift of the Spirit and not your mind. I do not care how one in the world views it my way off on this blog I am right and go on your blog and there you can be right. If that is not your cup of tea that is fine but you are not going to get any glory in heaven for choosing Jesus and God is not going to share Jesus glory with you. As I am also at it the King James is not my bible and I rather not have comments on it from now on. I mean you give me a site and I am supposed to listen and burn all my Bibles that are not KJV. No I want you to type out your feelings and thoughts not give me sites because it shows how uneducated people are on the issue. Hell is not out of any bible and it is silly to say that and matter of fact is shows how dum folks are in the issue. Read back on my blog a bunch of days and I show it to you. Ok you are not going to convert me to be what Jesus has not made me to be and that is that.
So many fights are because of faith really, stop fighting my faith and let me have mine. I am not here for your converting me I am a saved man and I am in love with Jesus.
John 8 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.1
Where is the choice folks in this passage; THERE IS NONE HERE. One has to be drawn to salvation and one must have the Lord working on the heart for one to repent and place trust in Jesus. NO you cannot just come to Jesus you have to be drawn. If you do not see this are you even in Jesus or are you blinded by what you want.
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
This is not referring to the mass it is a mephor and that needs to be said. I have folks call me anti calthic and I am because they mess up the truth and they try to eat athe supper and claim it is the way to heaven. Jesus is asking us to eat and drink of him and his words. Jesus said my words are life and I am life. If you take the blood and apply it you have forever life in Jesus and heaven. If not you cannot have life. Here are two reasons this cannot be the mass. Mass was not even in the bible and the blood and bread were not shown till the last night of Jesus life and where is all the rules on mass here. They are not here because mass is not in the bible.
55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”2
So what is the food? To live for Jesus and to do as he would tell you. We do as Jesus said to do. Jesus calls us to not be in the world but come out of it and be holy. It is not the music or the food or dress it is the heart we need to have outside the world. We love everyone and the Lord and focus and trust in Jesus. We make our giving more important and we live for one and that is Jesus. No I am not going to live or have faith in your way I am accounting only to Jesus and nobody else for my faith. So if I am led to be a calvinist or like music you do not I am not here to please you but to pleas Jesus and God. They live in me and love me more than you ever will so I am going to trust how they lead me
So many fights are because of faith really, stop fighting my faith and let me have mine. I am not here for your converting me I am a saved man and I am in love with Jesus.
John 8 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.1
Where is the choice folks in this passage; THERE IS NONE HERE. One has to be drawn to salvation and one must have the Lord working on the heart for one to repent and place trust in Jesus. NO you cannot just come to Jesus you have to be drawn. If you do not see this are you even in Jesus or are you blinded by what you want.
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
This is not referring to the mass it is a mephor and that needs to be said. I have folks call me anti calthic and I am because they mess up the truth and they try to eat athe supper and claim it is the way to heaven. Jesus is asking us to eat and drink of him and his words. Jesus said my words are life and I am life. If you take the blood and apply it you have forever life in Jesus and heaven. If not you cannot have life. Here are two reasons this cannot be the mass. Mass was not even in the bible and the blood and bread were not shown till the last night of Jesus life and where is all the rules on mass here. They are not here because mass is not in the bible.
55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”2
So what is the food? To live for Jesus and to do as he would tell you. We do as Jesus said to do. Jesus calls us to not be in the world but come out of it and be holy. It is not the music or the food or dress it is the heart we need to have outside the world. We love everyone and the Lord and focus and trust in Jesus. We make our giving more important and we live for one and that is Jesus. No I am not going to live or have faith in your way I am accounting only to Jesus and nobody else for my faith. So if I am led to be a calvinist or like music you do not I am not here to please you but to pleas Jesus and God. They live in me and love me more than you ever will so I am going to trust how they lead me
Sunday, June 03, 2007
Jesus is the bread of life
I do not like comments that are going to make me go in places I am not wanting to go. I am not a fan of comments at all on the blog but sometimes I just have to endure them. So I already said why I am not a baptist in the way Krissy told me she is and I am not going to waste my time to defend myself. I want to go into the bible in ohn and work in the next part
John 6 43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
This has been at the center of debates and for Calvinism for me. I maintain this is a good place to show the lack of free will has for his faith. What does the passage say. Not what we want it to say what does it say. No one can come to Jesus unless God draws them to him. It means that no one is able to go in his own will and come to Jesus. It has to happen in the power of God. One has no power to go and get saved without the Lord drawing them to himself. 45 just hits this again, one has to be taught to repent and come to Jesus. One cannot just come to Jesus on their own that would be you saving yourself and that is taking the power away and the glory from Jesus and we are not going to do that. To not see the passage this way is to read into it and making it say something it does not say and if you do that you make it harder than it ought ot be and tyou change it, Not a good thing to say or do.
47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”1
He who is saved is saved forever. If you are saved and do not grow it still is a truth your saved. Believeing is the thing one must do to be saved. Jesus is clear on this truth. Jesus is the bread of life and if you are looking to be filled in the Spirit Jesus is all you need. He is the the only thing you need to be filled. We do not need to go around and look at things to fill us we go right to Jesus. Salvation is all you need to get to heaven do not be tricked into all the trash they are going to tell you to follow just go to the bible and follow it. Jesus is not King James only or not into this CCM is bad as some are. Jesus said to trust him and read the bible and obey it. Some people go into things that are not in the bible and I am not happy with their trashing the bread of life who is going to fill us and change us. Do not fall into standard fall into Jesus and let him run your life. If you eat of the bread of life you live forever and nothing take Jesus away from you.
John 6 43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
This has been at the center of debates and for Calvinism for me. I maintain this is a good place to show the lack of free will has for his faith. What does the passage say. Not what we want it to say what does it say. No one can come to Jesus unless God draws them to him. It means that no one is able to go in his own will and come to Jesus. It has to happen in the power of God. One has no power to go and get saved without the Lord drawing them to himself. 45 just hits this again, one has to be taught to repent and come to Jesus. One cannot just come to Jesus on their own that would be you saving yourself and that is taking the power away and the glory from Jesus and we are not going to do that. To not see the passage this way is to read into it and making it say something it does not say and if you do that you make it harder than it ought ot be and tyou change it, Not a good thing to say or do.
47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”1
He who is saved is saved forever. If you are saved and do not grow it still is a truth your saved. Believeing is the thing one must do to be saved. Jesus is clear on this truth. Jesus is the bread of life and if you are looking to be filled in the Spirit Jesus is all you need. He is the the only thing you need to be filled. We do not need to go around and look at things to fill us we go right to Jesus. Salvation is all you need to get to heaven do not be tricked into all the trash they are going to tell you to follow just go to the bible and follow it. Jesus is not King James only or not into this CCM is bad as some are. Jesus said to trust him and read the bible and obey it. Some people go into things that are not in the bible and I am not happy with their trashing the bread of life who is going to fill us and change us. Do not fall into standard fall into Jesus and let him run your life. If you eat of the bread of life you live forever and nothing take Jesus away from you.
