Wednesday, March 07, 2007
Calvinism more an more needed
So I asked you Ron to read the book of 2 Peter. I ask you again to read the context of the verses and then come and talk them over. I am not going to debate this until I am done and at a place where I can. In reading the bible you have to read the book and the chapter then the verse. And the thing about Gods mind? Yes you cannot know the mind of God and that is in the bible. We read the bible to know Gods mind and do what it tells us to do, not to know the mind of God. Read the book of Job and explain that book and what God is saying. So I stand on you cannot use logic of this day to say the bible means something it does not. Like free will is found and choice is found but so is election so you have t5o play both sides of what the bible is saying. God can and does do this on many things and that is not give us a clear read on a topic. Like Eternal Life. In a reading of Hebrews 6 if you read it you would think it talks about losing salvation but that is not what it talks about and reading more of the book shows that. I need to do some more on how to study the bible maybe.
Ok I want to go over some more
Eph 2 2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
I need to drill this first part of the passage. He made you alive when you were dead in trespasses. It is important to know that a sinner is dead and that means he cannot choose anything good because he is without a light. If one is dead he is dead. I am not going to go into a thinking that he is ok and alive to pick God when this said he is not.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
But God had to work in this. God made us alive. We did not get alive and pick then get saved. That is a work of the Lord and not us. All of the work is Gods and he gets all the glory. I sis not pick to get saved without Jesus working in my life. Now to choose Jesus yes I chose but Jesus did the enabling and made me alive.
7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.1
Work that is prepared BEFORE we Got saved. God made the works and gave them to you. You did nothing but obey. And no works you did got you saved (in case your into a baptism salvation)
Col 3 12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.2
Elect of God... This is a charge of God in the way we have to live in the faith. Also it teaches that we need to forgive. It is not loving to be racial. I have had that that on my heart. It is wrong to separate anyone because of color. Bob jones did and that makes him a moron. If your at Bob Jones and follow the stupid and unloving rule of not dating over race friend your not saved and also if you a race separatist in any way your not a Christian. Sorry if you want the easy way out. I am so sad any baptist is racial. I will not go to any school that hints at this in any shape. I need a statement from you Pastor that you are not as Bob Jones because without it I am not going to go to your place EVER. Do not make race a thing to separate and do not make your church the only one in town. Both are not righteous.
We are to love everyone and if we do not we do not we are not saved.
1 thes 1 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers, 3 remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father, 4 knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. 5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.3
1 thes 2 12 that you would walk worthy of God who calls you into His own kingdom and glory.4
God who calls you
2 thes 2 13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.5
From the beginning God choose you, He called you b y the gospel. Who did the work? You or God.
1 Tim
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,6
Titus 1 Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, 2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, 7
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
Ok I want to go over some more
Eph 2 2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
I need to drill this first part of the passage. He made you alive when you were dead in trespasses. It is important to know that a sinner is dead and that means he cannot choose anything good because he is without a light. If one is dead he is dead. I am not going to go into a thinking that he is ok and alive to pick God when this said he is not.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
But God had to work in this. God made us alive. We did not get alive and pick then get saved. That is a work of the Lord and not us. All of the work is Gods and he gets all the glory. I sis not pick to get saved without Jesus working in my life. Now to choose Jesus yes I chose but Jesus did the enabling and made me alive.
7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.1
Work that is prepared BEFORE we Got saved. God made the works and gave them to you. You did nothing but obey. And no works you did got you saved (in case your into a baptism salvation)
Col 3 12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.2
Elect of God... This is a charge of God in the way we have to live in the faith. Also it teaches that we need to forgive. It is not loving to be racial. I have had that that on my heart. It is wrong to separate anyone because of color. Bob jones did and that makes him a moron. If your at Bob Jones and follow the stupid and unloving rule of not dating over race friend your not saved and also if you a race separatist in any way your not a Christian. Sorry if you want the easy way out. I am so sad any baptist is racial. I will not go to any school that hints at this in any shape. I need a statement from you Pastor that you are not as Bob Jones because without it I am not going to go to your place EVER. Do not make race a thing to separate and do not make your church the only one in town. Both are not righteous.
We are to love everyone and if we do not we do not we are not saved.
1 thes 1 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers, 3 remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father, 4 knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. 5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.3
1 thes 2 12 that you would walk worthy of God who calls you into His own kingdom and glory.4
God who calls you
2 thes 2 13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.5
From the beginning God choose you, He called you b y the gospel. Who did the work? You or God.
1 Tim
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,6
Titus 1 Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, 2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, 7
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
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