Thursday, March 01, 2007
Calvinism more an more needed
I have not found a thing going to hit Mac on his bible in the Rom 8 28-30 passage. I am not going to look for it any more tonight, But I want to keep on the survey because there is a ton of things in my thinking to outline and I need to keep going so by easter I am back in John.
Rom 8 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.1
God elect are the people God choose to be saved. God called them and we took a look at that word last time. It cannot be that God just called people he knew that would come to him. We are going to prove and show that no one can call on God because they are to sinnful and in sin they are dead. It is called Total Depravity and we get that when we look at it as a part of this series.
Rom 9 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”2
I do not really want to touch this with a ten foot pole because I am going to have 50 comments and e mails. I think this a an example of how God calls people. I see it this way and I will outlind it
1 2 sets of people
a flesh
b God
2 look at 11 God picks a people not on merit. He picked them so the purpose of God might stand. Not of works but of Grace.
4 God hated one and loved the other. Now God made the chose out of his plan of salvation. Does God have a hate. Yes. Did he pick Jacob because of Merit. No. Did God make a call here one good and one bad. Yep. Why? If you know this your higher than God because God never told me in this bible.
Rom 11 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.3
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”4
God blinded some to the truth of the Gospel? Yep
1 cor 214 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 5
No man can receive the things of God because... God blinded them
1 Cor 1 26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
REASON TO THINK ELECTION IS RIGHT
GOD GETS ALL THE GLORY BECAUSE IT IS HIS IDEAS AND PLANS AND YOU ARE JUST THERE BECAUSE AND YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. NO SELF GLORY OR GLORY WHEN YOU WIN A SOUL. GOD GETS 1000 PERCENT BECAUSE GOD SAVES ALONE.
Gal 1 15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace,6
Paul picked Jesus out of his will right? No He was picked friend and if Paul was so were you. Are you greater than Paul? Paul did not choose Jesus knocked him over and said your mine. So why did you have power when God picked Paul? All Grace. No works from Paul to get saved.
EPH 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.7
Does this get anymore clearer? He picked us as he gives us everything at the point we are saved. People in some places think the Lord is going to give them more and more blessings. No when your saved you get all the possible blessing the moment you get saved. Your filled in the spirit the second youre saved. And this is just like Jesus picking you and paul from the womb. Not a New concept
Jer 1 5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;
Before you were born I sanctified you;
I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”8
In the womb God had started your salvation plan.
Eph 2 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,9
Why?
Phil 2 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.10
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
9The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
10The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
Rom 8 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.1
God elect are the people God choose to be saved. God called them and we took a look at that word last time. It cannot be that God just called people he knew that would come to him. We are going to prove and show that no one can call on God because they are to sinnful and in sin they are dead. It is called Total Depravity and we get that when we look at it as a part of this series.
Rom 9 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”2
I do not really want to touch this with a ten foot pole because I am going to have 50 comments and e mails. I think this a an example of how God calls people. I see it this way and I will outlind it
1 2 sets of people
a flesh
b God
2 look at 11 God picks a people not on merit. He picked them so the purpose of God might stand. Not of works but of Grace.
4 God hated one and loved the other. Now God made the chose out of his plan of salvation. Does God have a hate. Yes. Did he pick Jacob because of Merit. No. Did God make a call here one good and one bad. Yep. Why? If you know this your higher than God because God never told me in this bible.
Rom 11 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.3
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”4
God blinded some to the truth of the Gospel? Yep
1 cor 214 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 5
No man can receive the things of God because... God blinded them
1 Cor 1 26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
REASON TO THINK ELECTION IS RIGHT
GOD GETS ALL THE GLORY BECAUSE IT IS HIS IDEAS AND PLANS AND YOU ARE JUST THERE BECAUSE AND YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. NO SELF GLORY OR GLORY WHEN YOU WIN A SOUL. GOD GETS 1000 PERCENT BECAUSE GOD SAVES ALONE.
Gal 1 15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace,6
Paul picked Jesus out of his will right? No He was picked friend and if Paul was so were you. Are you greater than Paul? Paul did not choose Jesus knocked him over and said your mine. So why did you have power when God picked Paul? All Grace. No works from Paul to get saved.
EPH 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.7
Does this get anymore clearer? He picked us as he gives us everything at the point we are saved. People in some places think the Lord is going to give them more and more blessings. No when your saved you get all the possible blessing the moment you get saved. Your filled in the spirit the second youre saved. And this is just like Jesus picking you and paul from the womb. Not a New concept
Jer 1 5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;
Before you were born I sanctified you;
I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”8
In the womb God had started your salvation plan.
Eph 2 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,9
Why?
Phil 2 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.10
1The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
6The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
9The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
10The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
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