Sunday, February 25, 2007
More on Calvin
I do know why Tim has a problem with the Calvin thing. It has to do with the great commission and perhaps the command Jesus left us with. I say this that Calvinism is the reason we need to do more. Jesus command is all we need to have to get out and share Jesus and do all we can to share Jesus. We ought to make our money the Lords, send billions out to the work of converting the lost and send out people to the people who do not know Jesus. It is our job to convert this world from sin. So do not allow my study to alter your giving or working for the Lord. Every one out there converting people with truth are helping in Jesus work. I am not talking about some of the men who are sinning and have less than bible like honor in their life's. Bob Jones who has no love for black people and Jack Hyles and his less than good testimony. Note they hate this doctrine and they are both less than fit?
As for Israel being the elect in mattew that is not right. If it is debates rage on this issue. I want you kids to know that Bro Tim is on the other side of a major debate and Tim is it ok for you to just call me a false teacher when this is not a issue solved. Mathew 22 14 Macarthur notes this. I know your not a fan of John Macarthur but I think this note in his bible is right until you show me other wise:
22:14 many are called, but few are chosen. The call spoken of here is sometimes referred to as the “general call” (or the “external” call)—a summons to repentance and faith that is inherent in the gospel message. This call extends to all who hear the gospel. “Many” hear it; “few” respond (see the many-few comparison in 7:13, 14). Those who respond are the “chosen,” the elect. In the Pauline writings, the word “call” usually refers to God’s irresistible calling extended to the elect alone (Rom. 8:30)—known as the “effectual call” (or the “internal” call). The effectual call is the supernatural drawing of God which Jesus speaks of in John 6:44. Here a general call is in view, and this call extends to all who hear the gospel—this call is the great “whosoever will” of the gospel (cf. Rev. 22:17). Here, then, is the proper balance between human responsibility and divine sovereignty: the “called” who reject the invitation do so willingly, and therefore their exclusion from the kingdom is perfectly just. The “chosen” enter the kingdom only because of the grace of God in choosing and drawing them.1
Lets go back to the study and place more proof
Luke 8 10 And He said, “To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that
‘Seeing they may not see,
And hearing they may not understand.’2
Jesus hides the kingdom from the nation of Israel. Matter of truth the Lord hides it from all unsaved people. Israel is no longer the only nation Jesus is giving the truth to, the church is the new plan of Jesus. We can nail that a ton and I will wait. I want you to see the concept here of Jesus that he is hiding truth and that friends is key to election.
Luke 10 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”3
Names in book of life mean there is a book of life and I went over that this is a pre written book
Luke 18 6 Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust judge said. 7 And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? 8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”4
This is not the people of the old in this the elect are selected people saved. It might be the folks saved by Jesus but they are referred to as the elect.
Here is some Greek on the word Elect
1588 eklektos { ek-lek-tos’}
) picked out, chosen
1a) chosen by God,
1a1) to obtain salvation through Christ
1a1a) Christians are called “chosen or elect” of God
1a2) the Messiah in called “elect”, as appointed by God to the most exalted office conceivable
1a3) choice, select, i.e. the best of its kind or class, excellence preeminent: applied to certain individual Christians5
Lets move on
John 6 . 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me. This verse emphasizes the sovereign will of God in the selection of those who come to come to Him for salvation (cf. vv. 44, 65; 17:6, 12, 24). The Father has predestined those who would be saved (see notes on Rom. 8:29, 30; Eph. 1:3–6; 1 Pet. 1:2). The absolute sovereignty of God is the basis of Jesus’ confidence in the success of His mission (see note on v. 40; cf. Phil. 1:6). The security of salvation rests in the sovereignty of God, for God is the guarantee that "all" He has chosen will come to Him for salvation. The idea of "gives me" is that every person chosen by God and drawn by God (v. 44) must be seen as a gift of the Father’s love to the Son. The Son receives each "love gift" (v. 37), holds on to each (v. 39), and will raise each to eternal glory (vv. 39, 40). No one chosen will be lost (see notes on Rom. 8:31–39). This saving purpose is the Father’s will which the Son will not fail to do perfectly (v. 38; cf. 4:34; 10:28, 29; 17:6, 12, 24).6
Jn 6 44 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day7
Jn 6 65 . 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”8
Jn 17 6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.9
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.10
24 “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.11
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
I want to just touch on the rest of the Gospels and in time we go back and unpack more
John 15 16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.'
Jesus had to choose us. How can you miss this here.
John 15 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 12
Jesus is talking to his own. We are not part of the world because we somehow picked Jesus. No thats not what the word teaches here. Jesus made a choice did he not? It was not our idea to find Jesus it was him finding us. It is easy to go with the world and serve the world. It is hard to come to God and pick his life. So to think you could want to that is not right.
Later Shadman
1John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon, (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.) 1995.
6John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
9The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
10The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
11The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
12The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
As for Israel being the elect in mattew that is not right. If it is debates rage on this issue. I want you kids to know that Bro Tim is on the other side of a major debate and Tim is it ok for you to just call me a false teacher when this is not a issue solved. Mathew 22 14 Macarthur notes this. I know your not a fan of John Macarthur but I think this note in his bible is right until you show me other wise:
22:14 many are called, but few are chosen. The call spoken of here is sometimes referred to as the “general call” (or the “external” call)—a summons to repentance and faith that is inherent in the gospel message. This call extends to all who hear the gospel. “Many” hear it; “few” respond (see the many-few comparison in 7:13, 14). Those who respond are the “chosen,” the elect. In the Pauline writings, the word “call” usually refers to God’s irresistible calling extended to the elect alone (Rom. 8:30)—known as the “effectual call” (or the “internal” call). The effectual call is the supernatural drawing of God which Jesus speaks of in John 6:44. Here a general call is in view, and this call extends to all who hear the gospel—this call is the great “whosoever will” of the gospel (cf. Rev. 22:17). Here, then, is the proper balance between human responsibility and divine sovereignty: the “called” who reject the invitation do so willingly, and therefore their exclusion from the kingdom is perfectly just. The “chosen” enter the kingdom only because of the grace of God in choosing and drawing them.1
Lets go back to the study and place more proof
Luke 8 10 And He said, “To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that
‘Seeing they may not see,
And hearing they may not understand.’2
Jesus hides the kingdom from the nation of Israel. Matter of truth the Lord hides it from all unsaved people. Israel is no longer the only nation Jesus is giving the truth to, the church is the new plan of Jesus. We can nail that a ton and I will wait. I want you to see the concept here of Jesus that he is hiding truth and that friends is key to election.
Luke 10 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”3
Names in book of life mean there is a book of life and I went over that this is a pre written book
Luke 18 6 Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust judge said. 7 And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? 8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”4
This is not the people of the old in this the elect are selected people saved. It might be the folks saved by Jesus but they are referred to as the elect.
Here is some Greek on the word Elect
1588 eklektos { ek-lek-tos’}
) picked out, chosen
1a) chosen by God,
1a1) to obtain salvation through Christ
1a1a) Christians are called “chosen or elect” of God
1a2) the Messiah in called “elect”, as appointed by God to the most exalted office conceivable
1a3) choice, select, i.e. the best of its kind or class, excellence preeminent: applied to certain individual Christians5
Lets move on
John 6 . 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me. This verse emphasizes the sovereign will of God in the selection of those who come to come to Him for salvation (cf. vv. 44, 65; 17:6, 12, 24). The Father has predestined those who would be saved (see notes on Rom. 8:29, 30; Eph. 1:3–6; 1 Pet. 1:2). The absolute sovereignty of God is the basis of Jesus’ confidence in the success of His mission (see note on v. 40; cf. Phil. 1:6). The security of salvation rests in the sovereignty of God, for God is the guarantee that "all" He has chosen will come to Him for salvation. The idea of "gives me" is that every person chosen by God and drawn by God (v. 44) must be seen as a gift of the Father’s love to the Son. The Son receives each "love gift" (v. 37), holds on to each (v. 39), and will raise each to eternal glory (vv. 39, 40). No one chosen will be lost (see notes on Rom. 8:31–39). This saving purpose is the Father’s will which the Son will not fail to do perfectly (v. 38; cf. 4:34; 10:28, 29; 17:6, 12, 24).6
Jn 6 44 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day7
Jn 6 65 . 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”8
Jn 17 6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.9
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.10
24 “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.11
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
I want to just touch on the rest of the Gospels and in time we go back and unpack more
John 15 16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.'
Jesus had to choose us. How can you miss this here.
John 15 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 12
Jesus is talking to his own. We are not part of the world because we somehow picked Jesus. No thats not what the word teaches here. Jesus made a choice did he not? It was not our idea to find Jesus it was him finding us. It is easy to go with the world and serve the world. It is hard to come to God and pick his life. So to think you could want to that is not right.
Later Shadman
1John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
2The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
3The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
4The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
5Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon, (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.) 1995.
6John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
7The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
8The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
9The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
10The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
11The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
12The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
