Shadmans thoughts

I never thought of it. I am not kidding friends I found Christian poka music. Now Warren needs a new service. I laugh am praise Jesus for the humor he allows in this sinful world

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Reminder to you all. Run your virus scan because people that are mad do dum things. Not just in the problems we might be having in computers things happen. I recommend you do a virus check one time a day. People that spend ther time we do online can get nailed. Just do not think about it get off the net and run the scans. I also ask you all to run stuff to check for all the yucky stuff out there. Trust me and ten years online you got to run things and protect your systems all the time.

I did some thinking tonight about a matter of the Pastor and how much authority he ought have on his church. Is it right to go to a pastor and tell him he got this wrong in a sermon or do we have no rights in this regard. I had a talk with a friend last night that told me that he is to submit to the pastors of his church. I asked him his thoughts on Warren and he said that he did not ever read Warren and I asked him why not. Being the pastor of a local church has some bible commands to it.

1 Teach the bible correctly
2 Fight for the truth and Gods purpose
3 Pray for the lost and lead the church in that
4 Teach the Ladies to fulfill the role they have in the home and church.
5 Select the leaders of the church
6 Recognize error in the church and make the flock aware of it
7 Always be in study for himself and be ready to refute forms of human error
8 Teach the bible commands boldly and teach Gods Truth
9 Be a model of a Godly man so others will follow
10 Read the bible and explain it publicly
11 Be growing in the Christian life
12 Be full of grace and compassion when one need confronting of sins
13 Make sure all widows are taken care of
14 Honor the faithful workers of the church
15 Choose people to lead who are Godly
16 Stay in shape so he can serve without health problems
17 Teach the people to discern the truth and lies
18 flee love of money
19 Fight for the true faith
20 be rich in good works
21 Guard the bible

I find ths list and will email the source to all that ask. Let me take a couple and comment. We are in a way to study all the sermons the Pastor preaches to us. Take notes and when you can you need to check the bible with his notes and learn them. We need to be under a pastor or someone in the body so we are properly fed the word and are able to feed others the bible. If a pastor is wrong we need to go to the pastor and ask him for more. I have done that with my pastors in many things and most of the time they are good to get back to me on things. We are also to take good care of the pastor as he takes good care of us. We need to pay him a wage. We need to protect him from others lies and we need to honor him in the hard work they do preparing sermons and counseling folks. A good pastor is a man that gives goods Bible advises.

Here is a thing of a website.

“Christians are never told to blindly submit to a church leader. If a Pastor strays from the Bible, his listeners should not follow him. (Acts 17:10-11) If the Pastors lifestyle and ministry does not match up to the guidelines given in 1Timothy 3:1-7 in character, behavior, and morality, believers are not under scriptural obligation to follow that leadership.”

(3) IT IS A LOVING AUTHORITY--THE AUTHORITY OF A FATHER (1 Th. 2:7-11). The pastor is to have a godly, loving, tender, sacrificial consideration for the welfare of the people. His rule is not to be an overbearing, self-serving type of rule. He rejoices when his children mature and stand on their own feet.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PASTORING AND LORDING“The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock” (1 Peter 5:1-3)Pastors have real authority in the church, but it is a different kind of authority than that exercised by worldly lords. Note some of the differences as follows:Scriptural pastors love the flock and lead by compassion, but lords typically despise compassion; they don’t encourage; they merely demand (1 Thess. 2:7-8).Scriptural pastors lead by example, but lords merely make demands with little or no awareness that they must live what they demand (1 Pet. 5:3).Scriptural pastors know that the flock is not their own, but lords feel that they own the people and thus can control them according to their own will (1 Pet. 5:2, 3 “flock of God” “God’s heritage”).Scriptural pastors care more about the welfare of the saints than their own profit, but lords rule for personal gain and are not afraid to abuse the people (1 Pet. 5:2).Scriptural pastors are humble and do not consider themselves greater than the flock, but lords exalt themselves high above the people (1 Pet. 5:2 “among you”; 1 Pet. 5:5).Scriptural pastors aim to build up the people and free them to do God’s will, but lords want to control the people and hold them down (Eph. 4:11-12; 2 Cor. 10:8). The Greek word translated “destruction” in 2 Cor. 10:8 is also translated “pulling down” (2 Cor. 10:4).“But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many” (Mark 10:42-45).

THE CHURCH MEMBER’S RELATIONSHIP TO THE PASTORSGENERAL RESPONSIBILITIES1. RESPECT AND LOVE THEM (1 Th. 5:12-13). “And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. And be at peace among yourselves”2. OBEY THEIR TEACHING AS THEY FOLLOW THE BIBLE AND AS THEY SEEK TO BUILD UP THE CHURCH FOR THE SERVICE OF THE LORD (Eph. 4:11-12). “And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.”3. FOLLOW THEIR EXAMPLES. “Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation” (Heb. 13:7). “Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock” (1 Pet. 5:3). This shows the importance of God’s standards for pastors. If the church leaders do not lead godly lives and have godly homes, they cannot be an example to the flock and God’s work becomes corrupted.5. PRAY FOR THEM. “Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you” (2 Thess. 3:1). See also Heb. 13:18; Eph. 6:18-19; Col. 4:2-3.6. PROVIDE FOR THEIR PHYSICAL NEEDS (1 Tim. 5:17,18). “Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.” “A church that is penurious with a pastor violates the Scripture. Rarely does such a church manifest spiritual power or progress. The principles revealed in 2 Cor. 9:6-10 are worthy of consideration” (Paul Jackson, The Doctrine and Administration of the Church).

Question
This question is concerning elders’ authority or pastors’ authority over the flock of God. I’m a visitor here and I’m looking to get some biblical and spiritual training. In making a big decision on where I might want to go to get this training, I feel it’s important to seek good, godly counsel. An elder and a pastor is certainly an appropriate person to go to.
My question then is how much liberty does a pastor, an elder have in advising us when or where we should go to get this training?
Answer
I believe that as far as authority, the only authority any pastor or elder has is the Word of God. When you step beyond the Word of God, you’ve overstepped the bounds of your authority. I have no authority, if you’re in my congregation, to say to you, “Go here and get this training. Go there. I command you to...”--I have no authority to do that. That is overstepping my bounds. I am nothing more and nothing less than an instrument by which God makes known to you his revelation. That’s my role.
Now, I may say to you, “Given the circumstances, I would recommend this because it appears from what I know about that and what I know about you that this would be a good choice,” but that is not authority; that is counsel. My authority stops when I close the page of this book, and then all I’m doing is giving you counsel. You can consider that counsel as to its inherent value and make your own decision. But I have no authority to command you, beyond the pages of the Word of God.
That very point is where pastor's and elder's leadership becomes out-of-bounds and abusive and overbearing. God never intended that. The best we can do is give wise counsel. That’s why the Old Testament says, “In much counsel, there is wisdom.” The point is there. If God wanted us to just listen to one guy, He would say, “If you want to know what to do, go ask the elder.” But He says, “Get much counsel and you’ll get wisdom.” So I believe that our authority stops where scripture ends and then the best we can do is try to give wise counsel based upon our best understanding of the facts.